If that's the case then I have no problems with the difference. I assumed we all went by the same profit margin. But you know what assuming does...

:eek: Like when ASA had to cancel 200+ flights and SKYW INC had to send every available 200 they had at Skyw airlines to save as much as possible?? It just took the result down by 14 to 20 mill for that quarter......but hell that does not count does it.........

Another way to see it could be like......"Skywest Inc had tons of cash even before buying ASA and all the 500+ million that INC paid for ASA (cash) was produced by Skywest Airlines" :rolleyes:

When a company makes a capital investment it wants a return on the capital (hopefully to make all the money back in a few years).............
Believe me when I say that the return on the 500+ mill has not been much yet..........
and you dont want to know how much more than the purchasing 500 mill INC has had to invest in ASA to get it running somewhat properly again.........

That is a lot;

A second year FO at SKYW just get $350 and

He gets the operational profit sharing after completing 2 years....and starting on his third year...............

1 year 9 month ASA FO: $145.32 after taxes

2nd year Pinnacle FO.... Zero Net......and have never gotten one. But for some dumb reason we keep throwing out those #1 ontime performance numbers. With a poop contract I might add.......We are daddy Delta's stepchildren !

Lets not be dramatic 550+ million? Yaaa more like 330 million, I guess thats close if you're in Washington. Thanks for the business lesson on investments.

Or like after Skywest Inc purchased ASA, skywest airlines got the overwater exemption ASA had that cost lots of time and money. But hell, that doesn't count either.....

Oh, I get it. We're "lucky" that SkyWest scooped us up. Ok, bud, keep drinking that SGU Kool Aid. I have more time in this industry than you have inside the marker, and I don't need your "encouragement" to know what's going on. Yeah, it's nice to have a bonus, and SkyWest has cleaned this place up, but we at ASA are sick and tired of seeing SkyWest Airlines get all the glory. We furlough while you expand in our only hub. Our parent company posts impressive profits, yet your share is twice ours. We fight 5 years for a raise, and your management simply matches it.

Let me know when you pull your head out and get the big picture. ASA is a second class citizen in the SKW family. And no, we never asked to be part of it. What you don't seem to understand is that when this pilot group gets ****ed off enough and burns the place down (new contract in 16 months) we'll take you guys down with us.

Http://www.SkyWest.com/media/05/8-15-05.php

Try $425M plus $50M in deposits equalling $475M of which $350M was paid upfront, the rest is due in Oct 09.

Deal of the century.

WOW! You need to get off these boards before you have a heart attack.

BTW, we're two seperate airlines. If you take ASA down SKW will not go with you and if you think otherwise you're even more ignorant (not stupid) than I thought.

Good day.

Couldn't agree more. ASA is a very good airline and todate Inc has made over $300M in before tax profit off of ASA since purchasing them in Oct 05. When the 15 year contract is up Inc will have tripled their investment in profit alone.

Absolutely the "Deal of the century."

I'm not even slightly worked up.

Also, if you think SKW, Inc. can absorb a $400 million+ loss, then you're more more ignorant (not stupid) than I thought.

And now you've agreed with me.

More like $475 as other here described more in details and that is closer to my $500+ than $330 so I guess I was not being that dramatic.
Dont know where you got the $550+ from

Sorry about the lesson maybe it was a bit much:rolleyes:

With $745 million in the bank according to the call yesterday I guess it would survive but why would it be a $400 million loss?

there must be some value to sell in such scenario and like other people said that I did not count. Skyw Inc got $300 million back already in form of tax credits.

a good question is "what if skywest Inc had not bought ASA how would ASA be doing today?" any other company with the cash needed to turn around ASA and willing to invest in it? Republic maybe........naaa

I am sure that if Skyw inc receive a good offer they will look at it seriously.

We all know how Comair and Mesaba are doing being owned by Delta.

Do you Seriously think ASA would be doing better today not being part of Skywest Inc?

I believe the only reason why it has survived is because Skywest bought them. With low performance numbers and high cost comparing with others Delta (if it would be theirs) would have cut them down worse than they done with Comair.

Not Much, I agree

There is a slight difference also in size

If we look at the amount of flights, pilots and employees we can see that Skywest airlines is much bigger. The bigger you are and the more flights you do the more difficult it is to keep good performance numbers.

A clear example of a small operator showing incredible performance numbers is Go Jet. So clerarly the size matters when it comes to achivieng good performance numbers.

Also i dont know how but our employees keep performing better and better (not saying that ASA is not) in an unexpected way and Inc had to raise the bar and change the payouts or they would be paying max bonus all the time. That is something to be proud of. We earned our bonus and I dont care if it is the highest or the lowest comparing to others. I did not get close to what others get at Skywest. Do I feel bad about it? hell no, I am happy for them. Well done:)

I don't see many complaining either. I will never argue getting a $15 check in the mail. Just looking at all of the other posts on here saying 2nd year fos are getting $500 checks makes me jealous. That's all. Seems like Pinnacle and Mesaba, so far, are the few that don't get these performance checks.

Bottom line JP, if you believe that ASA is being treated unfairly, then everything you see will seem to support that. Most things can be interpreted in any number of ways and generally speaking, as employees of massive companies we usually don't have anywhere near all the information therefore our subjective assessments aren't accurate. I'm truly sorry that ASA employees feel that way. Perhaps the reason you didn't get more DCI flying was because you are already the largest DCI operator by far. To that end, United is always trying to redistribute flying to their other carriers because they feel we (SKW) have more than our fair share, EG XJT picking up the slack this summer even though we could easily have covered it. There aren't a whole lot of RFPs out there, so for right now it seems that you guys are DCI or nothing. I imagine if and when some East Cost flying opens up at other majors you guys will be in line for it and SKW won't.

I think that using the performance payouts as an indicator of who is the "favorite child" is also irrelevant. Under our agreement with management our performance payout for ABC conditions is $XYZ. If you analyze every part of your contract and our agreement there will be numerous differences, some that are more favorable at SKW but many at ASA (higher payscale, no block hour overide and the list goes on). I don't know who would come out on top when its all said and done but even if it wasn't a wash I don't believe that would be your indicator as to who is "liked" best.

SKW Inc is after the money, period. Again, I'm sorry about the furloughs and I hope some opportunities present themselves for your pilot group.

Reasonable post, but doesn't dispute the fact that SkyWest IS the favored child.

Try this one on for size... the higher payouts on the SKW side are bribe money to keep the unions out. Ya think?

Expand?:confused:

Lets keep it real. We got the lines reduces by 50% from the top in ATL. For Agust the FO lines in ATL for Skyw are down to 11 (22 is the most lines we had in ATL).


Profit Share?
If our share is twice it is because our earn was twice your for the company. I am sure we only get bonus for our part of the profit.


Matches the raise?
They stil pay you guys a bit more.
So you expect our parent company to go out buy another company with the money we made for them and then pay the "new guys" more than they pay us?

Sure they had to match it as much as possible.

Burn down the place?
Well then you probably would end at the same spot....... as if Skywest Inc never bought ASA.

I won't dispute that either, but I don't think it's unexpected because Skywest bought ASA. I don't see or talk to enough of you guys or understand the position you were in before the purchase enough to really know how it has worked out, but it doesn't surprise me that Skywest Inc favors Skywest Airlines over ASA at all. It's not fair, not necessarily right, but unsurprising.

*Everything* Skywest management does has implications for union votes. They've got to keep the pilot group convinced that they're a different kind of company that doesn't need representation. So far, they've done an excellent job of giving us as little as possible while still keeping ALPA out. I won't complain much as I'm a lot happier here than I was at my previous carrier, but I'll still vote ALPA if it comes up again.

you may be right on that one but then why raize the bar and cut our possibility for a high bonus almost in half?

The only reason why we made high bonuses is that every time the company makes it more difficult for us to achive higher bonus we prove them we can do it.

Wait until they tell you guys something like "Eh everyone out there is performing so well at other companies so we have to raise the bar for you guys and cut your bonus in half if you perform the same the next quarter":rolleyes:

SKW is the Original Child, favored? Don't exactly know but there's far more history here and I'm sure that plays in many ways. One being business structure, our model is setup well and easily supports our at-risk push which in this economy Mainline loves the idea of sharing risk. I give major props to Mgmnt for their creativity but I can't speculate on why one does more than the other. As pilots we don't and can't see all the facts and figures.

Lets see as far as I have seen $0 and an ankle grabbing session at Compost.

Perhaps that is just another reason why the crews here are sick and tired of carrying this sh!tty place. Min days off, schedules are getting worse and every month we lose more and more flying that we are supposed to do. That is our managements plan to get reserve numbers up vs hiring more people. No wonder why Indy lasted such a short time, it was the same idiots there that are here!

I agree with HermannGraf and Hayduke.

I wouldn't call it bribe money but I do call it the price of doing business for 37+ years as a non-union. Remember I'm pro-labor but that doesn't mean I don't respect what Jerry and friends have created.

SKW pilots drink a lot of Kool-Aid and one day that might bite them but as for now, bottoms up my friends. None the less my pilot group voted down ALPA so I'm along for the SAPA ride and I'll support them as much as I can.

What I dont understand is why are ASA and SKW considered separate as far as recovery operations. Of course SKW will help ASA recover just as Im positive ASA would do the same for SKW if it needed it. And Im positive that niether ASA nor SKW would do that for Mesa. So, why keep the companies seperate?

By the way, what about investing in the human capital that is SKW pilots instead of just buying or attempting to buy airlines? Just as SWA has made capital investments in their employees and seen its return on that investment, Im positive SKW pilots would do so as well.

Hey, what with the redneck thing?!! I'm from NYC!!! :cool: