Mesaba Pilots:Who can we Jumpseat onTo Europe
 

Planning on going to Europe. Just wondering who we can jumpseat on. One time I went down to Mexico and showed up at the gate to jump on an AA flight and found out we did not have an international agreement with them so I ended up having to catch a US Airways flight. Needless to say it was a pain in the you know what. This time I want to be prepared and not run into any surprises.

• Can we occupy a cockpit jumpseat on any airline headed to Europe?
• What airlines can we ride on? (Continental, US Airways, AA, United, KLM, ect. or are we only allowed on Delta/NW)
• Also, once in Europe can we ride on European airlines like easyJet and Ryanair?
• For those who have traveled around Europe what’s the easiest way to get from one city to the other? Car, train, plane?

Thanks so much in advance!

No, you can't. There must be a seat in the back.

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Originally Posted by makeitra (Post 664842)

What airlines can we ride on? (Continental, US Airways, AA, United, KLM, ect. or are we only allowed on Delta/NW)

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Depends on who you have a reciprocal agreement with which allows international travel. Check with your JS coordinator.

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Originally Posted by makeitra (Post 664842)

Also, once in Europe can we ride on European airlines like easyJet and Ryanair?

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Jumpseating? Most European carriers don't have anything like jumpseating like we do. However, you can buy a ticket for sometimes less than 10 Euro.

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Originally Posted by makeitra (Post 664842)

For those who have traveled around Europe what’s the easiest way to get from one city to the other? Car, train, plane?

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Train's always worked well for me.

Best bet is to buy ZED hi passes for whatever the longest segment you would possibly do on a Euro carrier would be...just so you're covered...NWA pass bureau is good about refunding your credit card for anything you don't use...call the old NWA non-rev number and list "on another airline" you'll get connected to an actual human being who will create ZED listings for anything you're doing...it's way better than messing with DeltaNet in my opinion, and I'm not even sure if you can use Dlnet to create ZED listings...fwiw I believe your all's zed agreement with euro carriers is the same as ours at 9E...though we got hosed on travel benefits with mainline, we DID keep the ability to use the NWA ZED fare agreements, which are extensive....i.e. Zed Low on Czech, Zed medium on Lufthansa...the list goes on...

Jumpseating wise Atlas used to have some good euro legs, and you can cockpit jumpseat on them (previous poster was referring to pax airlines, who don't allow it unless you fly for them...there are some non-FDX, non-UPS carriers who allow transcon cockpit jumpseat).

FDX doesn't allow puerto rico last time I checked
UPS does allow puerto last time I checked
UPS & FDX don't allow euro
Atlas/Polar allow cockpit and 74-upper deck access if you're cass approved--I've sat in the cockpit j/s rotating out of AMS so don't let anyone tell you cockpit jumpseating isn't possible transatlantic...it is!!!

You could jumpseat cockpit international on your own company...i.e. a Mesaba 900 DTW to Montreal you could have your dispatch list you on the crewlist and sit up front if necessary...

If it was me, I would take a direct flight on Delta from Detroit to Heathrow, then take the train everywhere else. Not only will it be less of a pain, but you will get to see a lot more of Europe along the way instead of just flying over it. But, if you are trying for flights check British Airways, Ryanair or Flybe for Zed fares. I haven't checked to see if we have agreements with them. call the Pass Bureau and good luck

I went to Germany last year, and trust me, buy a ZED fair..they are not familiar with jumpseating and had no idea what I was talking about. I went on Lufthansa and ended up buying a ZED fair. Going there was not too bad, coming home was a lot different. For one the language barrier causes the most problems, and they had no idea what I was trying to do. They also didnt understand what a ZED fair was and I had to go to some special ticket counter and explain what I was doing and get a specail pass to get to the gate. If you really need to get there bad and are in a time crunch, by a confirmed for less ticket and be done with it!

I have gone out of Newark on Continental, you have to list at the ticket counter outside of security and make sure your there early so they can put you on the load manifest. Once in Europe the train is probably the easiest, get a Eurail pass for multiple countries (buy before you leave) and once your over there it is very easy. Most cities have a centrally located train station, find a time you want to leave and go, it's that simple. Depending on the day of the week you may need a reservation, just ask information at the station before you leave at each new city. See Europe, especially by train is worth it!

Only if you really want to see the UK, otherwise do AMS, CDG or FRA. If you go direct to the UK from the US, you're subject to the departure tax. You can avoid it by arriving from and departing to another city witin the EU.

mesaba fom says no int'l jumpseating up front on our aircraft...including canada

Actually Nope we can't even do that.... It's unfortunately directly stated in our FOM that the cockpit jumpseat CANNOT be occupied by ANYONE when flying ANY international legs. Someday I hope to get and explanaition of why it's not an issue to go IAD/LAX but it is BUF/YYZ.... I won't hold my breath waiting for it though.

Yeah...thats bunk...you guys should argue that--if mainline, prob Compass, and 9E are allowed to, why should XJ be any diff??