Pilot Infighting at your airline during vote?
 

Simply, I was wondering if at your airline, was there a certain level of infighting that happened during contract negotiations?
Pinnacle seems to have a fairly heavy amount of fighting going on between the TA and the "Signing Bonus" ...
Please let me know how about your experience!
Thanks!

Greedy FO's from the "ME" generation want all the money. They have been there and suffered for 2 whole YEARS! They forget that everyone else has suffered for 5 times as long as they have.

Cheers

I would like to thank you for your post for a number of reasons ... Thank You:
-For being a professional
-For the progressive post
-Answering my question
-Interjecting your pompass opinion where it was unwanted (If you want a venue to express you opinions about that matter, make another thread or rent out Madison Square Garden ...)
-Hijacking my Post
... I could go on but, GROW UP ALREADY ... get a life ...

When it comes down to it, everybodu is only out for themselves. Get OVER IT!

+1 rama.....

Is it the greedy FOs who mAke peanuts or the senior captains that wanna base it off w2's? How's that fair. Retro pay was the only fair way and we got hosed on that deal. Once again.... Simply the best.

I think infighting during any vote is pretty common.

I see all the FO's are off today...complaining as usual

Troll?

Does it make sense to compensate those who have only suffered without a COLA and throw the 50+% of the group that are FO's or were FO's under the bus? In unity this group denied the raises for FO's a couple years ago, that alone needs to take the w-2 method off the table. The formula will not be "fair" to everyone, and just like the nwa/dl merger of lists both sides were upset, yet the process was done via a formula that was a non-bias setup. The only thing that every pilot has to differentiate each other is time here under the amendable time. To add insult to injury a -900 2n year reservist would make more on the w-2 method than a 3-4yr -200 lineholder. There is no "right" way or even a precedent that we can apply, we all need to form a way that is mutually benefitial and rewards the bonus money oN a justified and easy to understand metric.

That's what I was gonna say. Doesn't matter if it it's a major, legacy, cargo carrier. You'll always have it come vote time.

What about those FO's, who are now captains that suffered on FO pay long before you got here? Should they get more money due to the 'time value of money'?

I'm not saying the W2 method is a good method.

I love how money causes so much drama. Money runs the world.

The Captains you speak of were First Officers before the current (or not so current) contract became amendable. That means they were working under a valid contract. Why should they get anything for this time???

This got off topic real fast.

I work here, so not sure about other airlines...I would say that it's not too surprising...greed is a powerful weapon to overcome. Everyone wants the best situation for themselves and there's a lot of disappointment over several things in the TA. CA's who have been here awhile should step forward a lead a fair agreement through...SOME FO's should be more willing to listen to those who've been there before I suppose. I hope we can all work together to shoot this TA down personally.

At SWA the recent TA failed by less than 100 votes out of 6000. FO's voted it down by 60%, CA's voted for it by 59%. Lots of bad blood between the senior CAs that just wanted money and no QOL improvements since they already had the QOL and the Junior FOs. Luckily for us we have tons of other issues that have come up, so the angst has subsided. My point is a properly educated and motivated group can do what is right for the younger folks.

You just answered your own question...

We are all one big Happy Family.

have we met on the airlinkpilots message board, because you remind me of half the pilots on their that love to argue every point brought up? i bet you are voting yes on the TA :confused:

This has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with "who has suffered the most."

So many of you people are an embarressment to yourselves and the entire Professional Pilot career. It's like watching dogs fight over a left-over bone. You just don't get it and you're the downfall of our profession.

Who Gets What
 

On a recent conference call, we were told we would see approximately what our share of the bonus would be if the contract was ratified. Someone then asked if we could see what the senior captain's share would be. Although we aparently will not be able to, don't you think that a more than fair request?

On the other hand, if the senior captain's knew what the fo's bonus was going to be, perhaps they'd hand their heads in shame and vote no. Then again.........