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tr disagree 09-10-2009 07:28 AM

XJT unfortunately has been beaten and kicked around by CAL management for the last few years since LK took over and he has unfortunately made the CAL/XJT relationship shaky. XJT never had a problem with Commutair or SkyWest when they were here or even Colgan until the Q came on line. We did have issues with CHQ but that seemed to go away after a while. It is what it is and it sucks but do you really think that CAL should run a 737 from IAH to MOB, or EWR to SYR? Back in the good time when GB was running the ship and it was CAL and COEX, before I was at XJT, it seemed that things were good. It will always be you are taking my flying, that was ours but I have learned over the years business is business and crap like this happens. XJT management has made some bad decisions in hind sight but that is always 20/20. Our branded and Delta venture could have been better if fuel prices did not choke us out but we tried it and lost and here we are. After my eyes were opened last night to what is going on at CAL with the union and management, I now realize how CAL management has shoved down your throat for years and now you are trying to get back what you deserve and should have had about 4 years ago. In a perfect world, I would hope that CAL buys XJT back, they work out a fair sonority integration and take the best parts of the XJT contract and CAL contract and put them together and finally have an airline that will set the bar for the others to finally take back from the corporate greed and share the wealth amongst the employees. Seeing is how that will never happen XJT is in the position that we are in, CAL is doing what they gotta do and the corporate BS will continue.

DeadHead 09-10-2009 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by tr disagree (Post 676280)
XJT unfortunately has been beaten and kicked around by CAL management for the last few years since LK took over and he has unfortunately made the CAL/XJT relationship shaky. XJT never had a problem with Commutair or SkyWest when they were here or even Colgan until the Q came on line. We did have issues with CHQ but that seemed to go away after a while. It is what it is and it sucks but do you really think that CAL should run a 737 from IAH to MOB, or EWR to SYR? Back in the good time when GB was running the ship and it was CAL and COEX, before I was at XJT, it seemed that things were good. It will always be you are taking my flying, that was ours but I have learned over the years business is business and crap like this happens. XJT management has made some bad decisions in hind sight but that is always 20/20. Our branded and Delta venture could have been better if fuel prices did not choke us out but we tried it and lost and here we are. After my eyes were opened last night to what is going on at CAL with the union and management, I now realize how CAL management has shoved down your throat for years and now you are trying to get back what you deserve and should have had about 4 years ago. In a perfect world, I would hope that CAL buys XJT back, they work out a fair sonority integration and take the best parts of the XJT contract and CAL contract and put them together and finally have an airline that will set the bar for the others to finally take back from the corporate greed and share the wealth amongst the employees. Seeing is how that will never happen XJT is in the position that we are in, CAL is doing what they gotta do and the corporate BS will continue.

Good post,

Unfortunately that is the true reality of this industry. The only company that truly "owns" the flying, is the company with their logo on the side of the aircraft.

Onfinal 09-10-2009 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 676294)
Good post,

Unfortunately that is the true reality of this industry. The only company that truly "owns" the flying, is the company with their logo on the side of the aircraft.

And my contract, paycheck, and benefits should be coming from the company with the logo on the side of the aircraft also!

JetPipeOverht 09-10-2009 06:48 PM

You didn't know much when you got the job, you interviewed not knowing what you were getting into, you wanted a 121 job, and now you're with " X " airline you are angry about it ? You research has been done on the wrong end pal..

Clocks 09-13-2009 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by SmitteyB (Post 675657)
But it doesn't change the fact that CAL came to XJT and offered them the Q400, however your management balked at the offer, feeling turboprops were below them.

How do you know WHY they balked at the offer?

Maybe they knew at the rates CAL was willing to pay they'd have to pay sh**ty wages to fly 70 seat planes (and who knows what the impact on mx and training would have been)? Obviously colgan management was happy to jump on.

SmitteyB 09-14-2009 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by Clocks (Post 678237)
How do you know WHY they balked at the offer?

Maybe they knew at the rates CAL was willing to pay they'd have to pay sh**ty wages to fly 70 seat planes (and who knows what the impact on mx and training would have been)? Obviously colgan management was happy to jump on.

I don't know. I would bet that it had something to do with startup costs and not wanting to fly a turboprop. It wasn't CJC management, it was PNCL. I'm not defending CJCs pay or work rules Clocks.

Clocks 09-14-2009 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by SmitteyB (Post 678350)
I don't know.

Then don't make crap up.


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