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Atreyu 09-12-2009 03:37 PM

Changing Captain upgrade mins after downgrade
 
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT I AM COMPLETELY FINE WITH ME GETTING MORE EXPERIENCE BEFORE UPGRADING! I SUGGEST THAT THE TROLLS GO BACK UNDER THEIR BRIDGE.

Anyway, when I upgraded, mins were 2000 hours. I had 1800 hours when I upgraded (we had that 2:1 setup, so my hours were worth 2300 hours). Company just reupped their minimums to 3500 hours again. My question is because I had already upgraded, do I have to meet these minimums again? (I'm only 200 hours short, i'll probably have 8000 hours before we ever upgrade again). Or am I good because I'm a downgraded captain:confused:

ToiletDuck 09-12-2009 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by Atreyu (Post 677659)
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT I AM COMPLETELY FINE WITH ME GETTING MORE EXPERIENCE BEFORE UPGRADING! I SUGGEST THAT THE TROLLS GO BACK UNDER THEIR BRIDGE.

Anyway, when I upgraded, mins were 2000 hours. I had 1800 hours when I upgraded (we had that 2:1 setup, so my hours were worth 2300 hours). Company just reupped their minimums to 3500 hours again. My question is because I had already upgraded, do I have to meet these minimums again? (I'm only 200 hours short, i'll probably have 8000 hours before we ever upgrade again). Or am I good because I'm a downgraded captain:confused:

You already have your PIC type so with things grandfathered in perhaps you're ok. After doing the CA upgrade checkride you're a CA in my book just being paid to fly as an FO :) I doubt anyone working on those rules thought of these scenarios though.

Purpleanga 09-12-2009 05:31 PM

What is the need to up the mins right now? Are they upgrading??

The Stig 09-12-2009 05:53 PM

Which company is this that you speak of?

-The Stig

higney85 09-12-2009 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by The Stig (Post 677704)
Which company is this that you speak of?

-The Stig

I'm thinking 9E, but not 100% sure. Either way I don't know of any regionals upgrading- and when they do I see it being a senior bid..... unless you are AT 9E and this contract passes with the current RSV rules in the TA...

The "dirty 30" should not have been downgraded, now everywhere is short except ATL and many are left as junior FO's AFTER already coming to upgrade KNOWING they were going to be on RSV....

Positive_Rate 09-12-2009 06:47 PM

I believe he's referring to the one that uses the Waterski callsign.


New mins for Cpt. are 3500, 1000multi, 1000turbine and new FO mins are 1000tt, 200multi. I imagine you'd be grandfathered in since you already went through it, but like you said...we'll all have 10,000TT if (when) TSA ever upgrades again.

higney85 09-12-2009 06:50 PM

My bad, went on a tirade..

Inbluskyz 09-12-2009 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 677737)
I'm thinking 9E, but not 100% sure. Either way I don't know of any regionals upgrading- and when they do I see it being a senior bid..... unless you are AT 9E and this contract passes with the current RSV rules in the TA...

The "dirty 30" should not have been downgraded, now everywhere is short except ATL and many are left as junior FO's AFTER already coming to upgrade KNOWING they were going to be on RSV....


I'm part of the "dirty thirty" and scheduling has tried to JM me twice as a captain since being displaced to FO.

higney85 09-12-2009 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by Inbluskyz (Post 677762)
I'm part of the "dirty thirty" and scheduling has tried to JM me twice as a captain since being displaced to FO.


Now that's funny right there, don't care who you are...

Sing it with me now "SIMPLY THE BEST........."

Great Cornholio 09-12-2009 08:21 PM


Originally Posted by Positive_Rate (Post 677746)
I believe he's referring to the one that uses the Waterski callsign.


New mins for Cpt. are 3500, 1000multi, 1000turbine and new FO mins are 1000tt, 200multi. I imagine you'd be grandfathered in since you already went through it, but like you said...we'll all have 10,000TT if (when) TSA ever upgrades again.

Not like it really matters since I'm sure he will have plenty of time to get his TT up I'd say that he WOULD NOT be grandfathered in. The way downgrades work in the waterski world is that once you are qualified as and FO again it is like YOU WERE NEVER A CAPT (hence the reason to submit a new standing bid for the left seat) so you would have to meet all of the mins again in order to upgrade. It has never been like this before where they have changed the mins to more hours, but I'd imagine that since you need 3500 (reducible to 3000) in order to submit a standing bid for the left seat that any standing bids in the system that do not meet that will be kicked out.


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