Pinnacle pilots say NO!!
10-15-2009, 07:37 AM
#102
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Originally Posted by PinnacleFO
hey flight info is saying that pinnacle is starting a new hire class in January of 16 per month for 5 months. If flightinfo is saying it, it must be true!
10-15-2009, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Airsupport
Actually I have heard this is coming down the pipe. I haven't heard any numbers but all the check airmen have been doing their left and right seat flying the last month. They are setting aside a couple weeks at a time for them to fly in both seats. I would rather see a upgrade class than a new hire class however.
10-15-2009, 11:46 AM
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My only concern IF this rumor is true, is that these guys might be hostages for the next TA vote...we no longer have any pilots on probation...thus hiring would provide three advantages to the company:
1) Hostages in the event of a TA vote (unlikely, but possible)
2) Padding on our razor-thin staffing in the event of any UAL flying (yeah, yeah, "ASA got it" we know) or increased block from DAL
3) Reserves they can actually abuse--since the current reserve FOs have now been here long enough (and are off probation) that they can't pull as many fast ones on people (I doubt this one is true--but one has to admit, a probie FO on reserve serves scheduling's purpose much more than one who is off probation).
1) Hostages in the event of a TA vote (unlikely, but possible)
2) Padding on our razor-thin staffing in the event of any UAL flying (yeah, yeah, "ASA got it" we know) or increased block from DAL
3) Reserves they can actually abuse--since the current reserve FOs have now been here long enough (and are off probation) that they can't pull as many fast ones on people (I doubt this one is true--but one has to admit, a probie FO on reserve serves scheduling's purpose much more than one who is off probation).
10-15-2009, 12:05 PM
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While I won't comment on the actual "rumor" because I have yet to find an official source- which would be a vacancy with NH class dates I will say that "hostages" get covered in an agreement when we would go back to work on a strike. Sure, probies would have to show up to work but their would be no CA's to fly with.... Only a couple mgmt pilots (CA's) would risk a "black list" knowing that if the strike puts the company "out" their chances of being hired anywhere would drop to "0".
10-15-2009, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by higney85
While I won't comment on the actual "rumor" because I have yet to find an official source- which would be a vacancy with NH class dates I will say that "hostages" get covered in an agreement when we would go back to work on a strike. Sure, probies would have to show up to work but their would be no CA's to fly with.... Only a couple mgmt pilots (CA's) would risk a "black list" knowing that if the strike puts the company "out" their chances of being hired anywhere would drop to "0".
...or maybe I read your post wrong.
10-15-2009, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Colnago
Enlighten me, in which case I may be ignorant, but why would probationary pilots have to show up to work in the case of a strike? It's still the same union, probationary or not.
...or maybe I read your post wrong.
...or maybe I read your post wrong.
As for the rumor, I heard the same thing about new hire classes starting in January. Who knows if it is true, but it was mentioned to a union rep sitting in the crew room on Monday night, and it was not confirmed or denied. We can definitely use the staffing, so lets all hope its true.
Now the real question is, where is 3Greens??? That kid should be all over this one
10-15-2009, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SrfNFly227
It is my understanding that if a pilot were to strike while on probation, the company can (and probably will) fire that person. You are not technically covered by the union until you are off probation.
Now the real question is, where is 3Greens??? That kid should be all over this one
10-15-2009, 01:45 PM
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In the mindset of "probation" the MEC will direct probationary members to do or not do certain things. A probie cannot walk a picket line before a strike, but is fully covered under the RLA once a legal strike is started. I can see the way my post can be interpreted. The MEC would advice all pilots AND probationary pilots if/when a strike happens. If a probie doesn't show up to work the company can/may terminate (fire) the pilot, this is where the "hostages" and back to work agreements come into play. I would NOT lump a strike possibility and hiring together since the probies don't vote anyway.
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