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Short Bus Drive 08-03-2006 07:40 AM

"I can pull it where it says it both for Part 135 and Part 121."

Can you specify?

rickair7777 08-03-2006 07:59 AM

A comment on duty/flight time violations...

A 121 operator may be in the position of becoming aware of FAR violations conducted by it's own organization. The FAA does not want the operator to cover these up so there exists a "Self Disclosure" policy...basically if an airline self discloses occasional violations to the FAA, the FAA will not assess the usual $10K+ fine. Obviously this is not carte-blanche to committ numerous, repetitive violations but it does allow the comapny to get off the hook financially if they catch something before the feds see it.

As to how this applies to pilots...some companies that don't want or cannot afford a delay or canx will pressure crews to break duty time regs. If possible the company will doctor the records to make this look legal. OK, so let's say the crew goes for it...well now you may have various records (pilot logbooks, airplane logbooks, ACARS, computer) that may not agree. If the company supervisor thinks that the feds may catch it on an audit (and fine the comapny $$$) he will "self-disclose" this blatant violation comitted by the pilots. Of course the pilots can't imagine that the company would WANT to rat them out, so they have not submitted a NASA form and are oblivious until they get the letter of investigation from the feds! :eek:

As astounding as this sounds, this happens every week somewhere. Since crew schedulers and their managers are not FAA licensed, there are no repurcussions on them. The best quality regionals probably won't do this, but the sh*tty ones certainly will.

NEVER get pressured into duty time violations. YOUR logbook ALWAYS prevails over the company computer, and if necessary you should be able to support your version by pulling the aircraft hard-copy logs, which should match your own logs. Also you can call the other pilot...his log should match yours. If push comes to shove the company can only falsify the computer, but there will be several other hardcopy records to fall back on.

George Dubya 08-03-2006 06:10 PM

blah blah blah blah blah what a bunch of complainers. Colgan rules and everyone knows it. Am I the only one who thrives on the negative feedback. i love when i get called on my day off or work more than 12 hours BRING IT kick me in the jimmy again

cloudkicker1981 08-03-2006 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by George Dubya
blah blah blah blah blah what a bunch of complainers. Colgan rules and everyone knows it. Am I the only one who thrives on the negative feedback. i love when i get called on my day off or work more than 12 hours BRING IT kick me in the jimmy again


go back to your hole george, on flightinfo were you guys like pulling eachothers tools!

George Dubya 08-03-2006 08:06 PM

I am here to pull your tool I don't want to leave anyone out.

George Dubya 08-03-2006 08:07 PM

One more question do you spit or swallow? You know so I am prepared.

cloudkicker1981 08-04-2006 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by George Dubya
One more question do you spit or swallow? You know so I am prepared.


You know i was just asking your mother the same question last night?:cool:

George Dubya 08-04-2006 11:29 AM

My mother is dead thanks.

POPA 08-04-2006 11:36 AM

Okay, so he's a necropheliac. :eek: Don't judge.

JATAGA 08-06-2006 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by mccube5
yeah the nosewheel steering, or lack there of i should say, seems like it wouldnt really be much of a problem on say a saab 340. on a crj though that seems like a much bigger pain in the @ss. cant wait til the days when i finally learn all the stuff that doesnt need to be working on board these things to fly them.

Why would it be any different on a Saab than an RJ??? let me guess its something to do with the props!?!? Do you even know how the system works?

George Dubya 08-06-2006 07:09 PM

Loser prop pilots

BenM 08-07-2006 04:54 PM

Interviews in August
 
Anyone hear anything about the recent interviews held in August anyone got the yes no answer yet???

KiloAlpha 08-07-2006 05:02 PM

Anyone know if the 21 Aug class is for the Beech or Saab?

becks 08-07-2006 05:40 PM

both beech and saab

JATAGA 08-08-2006 04:05 PM

Ihate you GW

JATAGA 08-08-2006 04:05 PM

I love you GW

grnclvrs 09-14-2006 12:01 PM

First off, let me apologize for reopening a 5 week old thread. This tool has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. He is crying and whining about how the company is trying to screw him because he doesn't know the FAR's.


You are the only one looking out for yourself. You need to know the Policies and Procedures better than anyone. You have to or everyday you will find yourself in a situation where you could be violated.
Doesn't every airline require you to know your policies and procedures and ensure that you don't bust FAR's?


The only guys that I have seen that are happy at Colgan are those that have a family and their home is near where they are based. It makes it nice with being home everynight and still flying. You might see a few brand new pilots that are excited with 700 hours to be flying in 121.
Single, 2200hrs, 1700 miles from home and happy at Colgan as a pig in ****.


It doesn't take long for you to realize just what is being thrown at you. Looking back in a 24 hour period to see you have the proper rest for your flight time means just that...24 hours (3pm today until 3pm yesterday) So when dispatch is trying to make you violate that you have yourself and the chief-pilot to help. So what do you think is said when you call him to back you up. "If the computer says you are legal you are legal." So I call and ask what time my rest started and it was marked as a time when I was still in the air flying. So hell yeah the computer will say I am okay. Computers can be wrong especially when it is human entering the determining factors. So the second call I get told that looking back in a 24 hour period means looking back to midnight.
So dispatch is responsible for you calling in your proper times and ops entering them as such? Dispatch's job is to get the airplane from A to B. They use computers to do this. Does the computer throw up a flag when someone enters wrong information? Probably not. Sometimes you get someone new that has to deal with all the different "day" requirements that they get them mixed up - 24hrs for duty, midnight to midnight for airworthiness, etc. You pointed out to them their error and they left you alone. What's wrong with that?


Your reserve crew is your AM crew and when they get done around 12 they go out and cover what needs to be done...16 hours people.
Just like the FAR says..........


Part 91 cannot go over 16 hours
Couldn't find that one in Part 91.


You can do 91 over your 8 hour flight time but not duty time. I can pull it where it says it both for Part 135 and Part 121. I tell people here all the time that if you were able and legal to do...then why do they offer you another day off or something else for helping them out...
True, you can do Pt 91 over your 8 hrs flight time. False, Not duty time. You are operating Pt 91 and all you need to return to Pt 121 service is a required rest period (assuming your 30/7 is still legal). They offer another day off because they know they are inconveniencing you and may need to do so again in the future so it's a kind of peace offering.


I can pull it where it says it both for Part 135 and Part 121.
No, you can't.


I might be a bitter employee but I try to tell people what lies ahead because one thing is for sure. We all spent a lot of time and money to get where we are and this isn't a place I want to throw it all away. I came here for experience and maybe an upgrade. I can't endure anymore. I fullfilled my contract and I am moving on.
You are a bitter employee and good riddance to you. You got what you came here for, by your own admission.

On a seperate note, I applaud you for staying until the end of your contract and not trying to *** out on it.


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