Colgan's fatigue policy....
#101
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: In the doghouse
Posts: 136
NO KIDDING! And what about the 500+ hours of open time for FO's? People keep disappearing from the seniority list... I doubt we are heavy on pilots... I have received 3 phone calls from sched. asking me to pick up trips.... and I am a line holder.... makes me scratch my head and wonder why.
#103
On Reserve
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 19
No it didnt.. there were examples of how "crewmembers" abused it. Some or most or all those examples could be FAs. In the two memo examples, they use the words "flight attendant" and "crew member," but not pilot. Maybe because that "crew member" is an FA as well? I have to give a fellow pilot more credit than to do something so dumb and lacking of sense as that facebook situation.. personally I've never met another pilot here that I can even imagine lying about fatigue. Quite honestly though it is something I can definitely imagine many of our 18 yr old FAs doing. I don't care if that sounds bad because it is what it is. I don't think many of our FAs take their jobs as a whole as seriously as we do because they haven't invested 1% of the time, energy and money into this profession as we did and dont have anything hanging on the line. Not like a pilot who, if fired, would likely see his aviation career go down the tubes forever and possibly face FAA action depending on reason for getting fired. Likewise, I'm willing to bet what little money I have that FAs have far more fake sick calls than pilots. The company's all putting us in the same basket even if the abuses were done 30% by pilots and 60% by FAs or whatever the distribution is. I don't even know why FAs are afforded the same fatigue protection as pilots or inversely, why we are punished under a blanket policy for even one abuse committed by an FA. Ok, so their job involves safety but nowhere in the capacity as someone who is directly operating machinery. I don't think I'm a better human being than an FA just because I'm a pilot, but I just don't think we should be under the same policy when our job requirements are so different.
Sorry, I used to have respect for the Colgan pilots I have met but you sound like one I hope to never meet. Guess it's a good reason to fly the Delta commuter when getting out of town.
#104
Um, the short and sweet of it is....NO, no pay for fatigue. So the decision to make the call is at the expense of pay.
That being said, I don't believe a fatigue call will pull you below guarantee; however, if you're above guarantee, you'll be dinged for the credit.
#106
Banned
Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,857
ALPA, I've sent 4 emails this year to ALPA Communications, asking why wasn't ALPA using our DUES MONEY to advertise on NATIONAL TV, and other media outlets about our work rules, salaries and way of life in general.
ALPA RESPONSE: CA PRATER was on CSPAN!!!
That is IT!!! CSPAN, thats the answer!!!
So the question remains, WHERE DOES ALPA STAND IN OUR INDUSTRY?
#107
ALPA, I've sent 4 emails this year to ALPA Communications, asking why wasn't ALPA using our DUES MONEY to advertise on NATIONAL TV, and other media outlets about our work rules, salaries and way of life in general.
ALPA RESPONSE: CA PRATER was on CSPAN!!!
That is IT!!! CSPAN, thats the answer!!!
So the question remains, WHERE DOES ALPA STAND IN OUR INDUSTRY?
ALPA RESPONSE: CA PRATER was on CSPAN!!!
That is IT!!! CSPAN, thats the answer!!!
So the question remains, WHERE DOES ALPA STAND IN OUR INDUSTRY?
#108
All passengers want highly paid and trained pilots, but they don't want to pay for it.
I want steak and lobster for dinner but I only want to pay $2. Guess what, I'm not getting it. Ground beef budget gets you ground beef. Rock bottom airfare gets you rock bottom pilots and training.
#109
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Posts: 348
ALPA, I've sent 4 emails this year to ALPA Communications, asking why wasn't ALPA using our DUES MONEY to advertise on NATIONAL TV, and other media outlets about our work rules, salaries and way of life in general.
ALPA RESPONSE: CA PRATER was on CSPAN!!!
That is IT!!! CSPAN, thats the answer!!!
So the question remains, WHERE DOES ALPA STAND IN OUR INDUSTRY?
ALPA RESPONSE: CA PRATER was on CSPAN!!!
That is IT!!! CSPAN, thats the answer!!!
So the question remains, WHERE DOES ALPA STAND IN OUR INDUSTRY?
A little bit of knowledge in the hands of the masses is a very dangerous thing. I prefer my union to be a group of pilots and experts, working in a precise and calculated manner, to make changes in the areas appropriate to their position. Ad campaigns, in my opinion, do not fit in what I want my union dues paying for.
Lets let our negotiating committee work on the fatigue clause in our contract. That will get a lot more done than a media frenzy. Those just lead to knee-jerk overreactions that don't fix the problem.
#110
ALPA, I've sent 4 emails this year to ALPA Communications, asking why wasn't ALPA using our DUES MONEY to advertise on NATIONAL TV, and other media outlets about our work rules, salaries and way of life in general.
ALPA RESPONSE: CA PRATER was on CSPAN!!!
That is IT!!! CSPAN, thats the answer!!!
So the question remains, WHERE DOES ALPA STAND IN OUR INDUSTRY?
ALPA RESPONSE: CA PRATER was on CSPAN!!!
That is IT!!! CSPAN, thats the answer!!!
So the question remains, WHERE DOES ALPA STAND IN OUR INDUSTRY?
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