Colgan's fatigue policy....
12-31-2009, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguyniner11
no...just a reg line pilot who thinks people shouldn't use a safety policy to get free days off..calling fatigue shouldn't be a joke that people throw around if they want to get a day off which I have seen many times.
12-31-2009, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by beeker
Don't hire everyone that comes to interview. Spend some time and money during the interview process and with compensation to ensure that you find good honest moral pilots and not some dude that has a pilot's license. Not saying everyone there is some dude with a pilot's license but it seems like for many at Colgan it was probably the safety fall back job if they couldn't get their first choice or the first choice wasn't available.
12-31-2009, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
This way its anonymous and its the ERC deciding if it was legit instead of a chief pilot.
And NO, it wasn't punitive or disciplinary in the least, just saying, I wouldn't be to thrilled to do that. Even if they bought me off my first turn on a 4 day, middle turn on middle day, or last turn on day 4. OR, wanted me to come in on a day off, DH me from home and back at 1.5 X 3.75 OR the higher of the actual/scheduled block of the DH with day off restoration.
12-31-2009, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguyniner11
no...just a reg line pilot who thinks people shouldn't use a safety policy to get free days off..calling fatigue shouldn't be a joke that people throw around if they want to get a day off which I have seen many times.
The last time I called fatigue (the only time in several months), it violated 2 of the 3 new rules. I wonder if I would have been punished. I am not one to abuse fatigue or sick leave, yet seeing memos like this make me think twice prior to an HONEST call.
12-31-2009, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH
The last time I called fatigue (the only time in several months), it violated 2 of the 3 new rules. I wonder if I would have been punished. I am not one to abuse fatigue or sick leave, yet seeing memos like this make me think twice prior to an HONEST call.
12-31-2009, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH
Ahh yes.... the kinder Colgan:
Beginning immediately, fatigue calls will not be accepted:
1. If the crewmember has had a period of at least 12 hours rest prior to the start of the duty day.*
2. If the crewmember is returning from days off.
3. For future or downline flights. That is, a crewmember cannot declare “I’m going to be fatigued on my next flight”, or “I’m calling in fatigue for tomorrow”.
*Mitigating circumstances that prevent a rest period from being fully utilized will be considered when determining whether a fatigue call is acceptable.
...
The Safety Department will ultimately determine whether a fatigue call is acceptable or not. However, a fatigue call that is not accepted will be referred to the Chief Pilot or Inflight Base Manager for disposition.
...
Any further blatant abuse of the fatigue option will be addressed as a disciplinary action, and fatigue resulting from an improper use of rest periods or personal time off duty will be treated as missed trips. This policy begins immediately.
god I love this place.
Beginning immediately, fatigue calls will not be accepted:
1. If the crewmember has had a period of at least 12 hours rest prior to the start of the duty day.*
2. If the crewmember is returning from days off.
3. For future or downline flights. That is, a crewmember cannot declare “I’m going to be fatigued on my next flight”, or “I’m calling in fatigue for tomorrow”.
*Mitigating circumstances that prevent a rest period from being fully utilized will be considered when determining whether a fatigue call is acceptable.
...
The Safety Department will ultimately determine whether a fatigue call is acceptable or not. However, a fatigue call that is not accepted will be referred to the Chief Pilot or Inflight Base Manager for disposition.
...
Any further blatant abuse of the fatigue option will be addressed as a disciplinary action, and fatigue resulting from an improper use of rest periods or personal time off duty will be treated as missed trips. This policy begins immediately.
god I love this place.
One of the many reasons, even though I'm on furlough, that I WILL NOT apply to Colgan under any circumstance. I don't know about others out there, but I'd like to think I learned a lot in the 2 years I flew the line. I will not go back to another bottom feeder, period! I would much rather just make good money doing something else and fly on the side... The Heck with this crud, these companies can kiss my you know what!
12-31-2009, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH
I agree. People should be honest. And 99% of us are. But just like the 12 hour rule, a couple jerks' bad actions result in the company squashing all of us.
The last time I called fatigue (the only time in several months), it violated 2 of the 3 new rules. I wonder if I would have been punished. I am not one to abuse fatigue or sick leave, yet seeing memos like this make me think twice prior to an HONEST call.
The last time I called fatigue (the only time in several months), it violated 2 of the 3 new rules. I wonder if I would have been punished. I am not one to abuse fatigue or sick leave, yet seeing memos like this make me think twice prior to an HONEST call.
12-31-2009, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguyniner11
thats a great solution if you had a time machine
12-31-2009, 06:17 PM
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Hey guys. I dont work for Colgan but I do work for another regional and Im a Flight Attendant. Im looking out for you guys because I see it everyday with our pilots as well as the no flight restrictions they have put upon us flight attendants. I worked a 17 1/2 hour duty day 2 weeks ago and only got paid for 8 credit hours. I can tell you that USA Today probably already knows about this since Angels do have wings and can spread the word pretty fast. Pretty sure the press can get the info they need if they want to write an article on it. Happy New Years! Fly Safe.
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