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Old 01-01-2010, 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by contrails View Post
What PCL_128 said.

Where have you been the past year??
Best of luck with that!
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Old 01-01-2010, 06:31 AM
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Stunning.............we're going back to the Airmail days with the "fly or your fired" mentality.

Too bad their isn't a union or something to prevent draconian policies like this.
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Old 01-01-2010, 06:46 AM
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Is anyone comfortable forwarding this information to Congressman Jerry Costello of Illinois since he is the chairman of the aviation subcommittee. I think it would be great if someone from Illinois, especially from the 12th district could do it.
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Old 01-01-2010, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by dashtrash300 View Post
Is anyone comfortable forwarding this information to Congressman Jerry Costello of Illinois since he is the chairman of the aviation subcommittee. I think it would be great if someone from Illinois, especially from the 12th district could do it.
Perhaps your would be the perfect canidate?
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Old 01-01-2010, 07:26 AM
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I see its still business as usual at Colgan Air. Intimidating pilots into taking a flight when its unsafe. I personally know many CA's there who are afraid to stand up and make a PIC decision because they fear for their job. There is so much fear and intimidation from management that the employees have "Stockholm syndrome" believe me when I tell you.

The current EWR Asst. Chief Pilot had an evac due to smoke in the cabin because he left the APU bleeds on during de-icing. A passenger broke several bones in the process, and guess what no discpline..... They promoted him! CA's getting suspended because a deadheading pilot complained their was a hard landing. The rediciclous stories go on and on.....

And yet ALPA gets all your dues and continues to sit on the sidelines because their official answer for everything is " We currently do not have a grievance policy, and until then we can not represent any crew members." ALPA has attempted to get a grievance policy on paper, but the company has told the pilot's union to go pound sand.

I wish all my friends well at Colgan Air its only going to get worse.
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Old 01-01-2010, 07:52 AM
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Sadly, it looks as though it will take another Colgan accident to result in real changes there.

A group of pilots need to step up there and organize themselves. If you could get perhaps a third of the pilots and contact the media and inform them of the dire situation there that would help. They cannot fire a third of their pilots and remain in business for long.

If the situation is that bad there, someone has to step up before people are killed again.
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Old 01-01-2010, 08:56 AM
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this is ridiculous. haven't colgan learned anything from the accident? the HR 3371 bill is about the safety, they need to include more about fatigue. that's whats killing us here.

some people brought up a good point that some pilots would call in "sick", but don't some management people do so as well? just a thought.
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Old 01-01-2010, 09:04 AM
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There have been times when I've been coming down sick without having any real symptoms yet. Even if you can't pinpoint down why you are "fatigued" or not up to par to fly, you shouldn't fly. That is the flight when something will go wrong and your reaction time will suffer for it. No questions asked... if you're fatigued, you're fatigued. We don't even have subtle punishment for fatigue calls at my airline and I am even guilty of flying fatigue before because its hard enough to recognize it when your ability to assess yourself is already impaired.
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Old 01-01-2010, 09:31 AM
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Is anybody really surprised that Colgan came up with this?

If you hire stand up, honest professionals then you wouldnt have this problem of people abusing the system. The few people who would abuse the system would be much more easily dealt with. Colgan couldnt attract quality applicants back in the day due to their sub-standard working conditions, pay, maintenance, or their general state of SNAFU. IF you hire substandard employees then you get substandard employee antics. I hope people do abuse the system... let Colgan cancel flights for lack of crews and wonder why people arent overjoyed to work in sub-par conditions.

At my company people do sometimes abuse the system but they are are a very small minority and are disciplined accordingly. We also get sick calls excused with a doctors note... and we are being undercut by a company like this. Sad that a company like Colgan can be referenced to and included in the same group of companies as AWAC, SKW, Comair, XJT, Eagle...
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I know all ya'll wont care but it is a temporary policy that will be reviewed by alpa and the steel workers to come up with a complete policy. the memo expires in 6 weeks
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