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To clear this up, we do actually have less hours this March than we did last March. Actual numbers are 102,584 hours in March 09 and 97,051 hours in March 10. All bases have lost hours.

Now the reason many of feel that the company needs to hire is because we have 45 less pilots on the bid list. A bigger reason though is efficiency of our pairings. It seems that Delta operates much less efficiently than Northwest did. A lot of people in Detroit who used to get 15-16 days off are now getting 11-13 days off. There is also a significant number of people with only 10 days off. Lines are still being built to 90-95 hours and it is getting old when they Junior Assign on top of that.

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Originally Posted by yamahas3 (Post 764622)

Its pretty simple really. The places with the worst contracts have the highest turnover and therefore greatest hiring. Pinnacle has one of the worst contracts out there, and as it stands is a bottom feeder. Its a dig on the company, not on the pilots. I applaud you guys for trying to improve things and hope you do.

Now, hiring, I'm interested in. I'm furloughed so I really pay attention to this stuff. I have no interest in going to Pinnacle but I have a lot of interest in industry movement. Its good for everybody.

Now as far as the flying hours go, month to month changes don't mean much. I just asked a buddy of mine over there and he said that March '10 hours are 7% less than March '09 hours. So yes, flying may be going up, but you guys still did much more with the same number of pilots last year and hiring wasn't happening then either.

So, sadly, it still doesn't look like theres any reason to believe that Pinnacle will hire unless something changes within the company/industry/economy or theres something I don't know about here.

Oh, btw, no need to be so harsh. Also, Eagle has a significant number of airplanes on the way.

You do know our contract is just a few months away from being 11 years old right? You do know that we voted down the TA that was just put before us. You do know that in the last few months since the TA failed I have lost more than $10,000 dollars right (actually closer to $15,000 and thats not including the signing bonus). So instead of calling pinnacle a bottom feeder you should look to the guys who voted for terrible contracts during the last few years. You need to really also focus on those who voted in contracts on the promise of more flying or fear during bankruptcy. The majority of the guys here weren't around in 99 and are appearantly not ready to settle for a substandard contract. I voted no, but man I could really use that 15 grand.

What is the draw down period of the Pinnacles DCI contracts. With a contract expire date of 2017, there is no way it is a drop dead from 120+ aircraft to nothing. I would guess it is at least 5 years but i don't know.

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Originally Posted by indapit (Post 764678)

actually there is no draw down. If you look in the delta 10k reports it shows all the planes operating till 2017. Now the contract could always be mutually changed and there is a provision for a 1 for 1 exchange for larger planes but delta cant do anything about that right now.

Our hours for the 6-month preview are higher than 08/09. Keep in mind we have also had more hours than the preview each month as well. We have had attrition (albeit small) over the last 12+ months and no hiring.

Everyone at Pinnacle including management, knows we need to hire. For better or worse, management is very, very conservative when it comes to spending money lately. There will need to be several months of steady increases in hours, or large attrition, for them to hire. According to several people involved in hiring, no money was budgeted for hiring this year.

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Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 764430)

We have an extremely high number of JA/EXT assignments being handed out (even for 9E). Multiple days/weekends of premium pay, 90 hour lines..... We need to hire, but I haven't heard a tip off as to when.

Unless you are on RSV in ATL, in which case you never fly. So what I see is a need to even out our bases.

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Originally Posted by mooney (Post 764482)

who did you hear this from?

We conducted a week worth of LCA interviews in ATL last week.

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Originally Posted by av8sean (Post 764809)

They dont need money to budget to hire, if they need to hire they will. That budgeting thing is a false rumor, think about it, have you ever heard of that before?

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Originally Posted by HIREME (Post 764601)

our company via memo

ahh thanks I didn't get the memo :)

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Originally Posted by Poprocket (Post 764822)

We conducted a week worth of LCA interviews in ATL last week.

Since it was in ATL and not MEM I'm guessing it was only for -900 guys?