Question about Logging PIC
07-12-2006, 04:53 PM
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Question about Logging PIC
If you are hired on to fly, lets say a CRJ-200 as a FO. Lets say you also have 1500tt etc and got your ATP. If you go pay and get a type rating in a CRJ-200, can you log PIC on the legs you fly instead of SIC??
07-12-2006, 07:41 PM
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Theoretically, if you sit reserve and do part 91 non-revenue repositioning legs (which I do several times a week) you could log PIC if the captain was willing to let you do it (he would have to log SIC, which is legal for him).
We have little to no paperwork for a 91 flight, so there's not much official papertrail, but obviously the company ASSUMES the captain is going to be PIC...
The two big downsides to doing this are:
1) The company would be really ****ed if they found out.
2) It would be a little hard to explain to a prospective employer...they would understand you were legal, but they would also understand that your company would not have approved.
We have little to no paperwork for a 91 flight, so there's not much official papertrail, but obviously the company ASSUMES the captain is going to be PIC...
The two big downsides to doing this are:
1) The company would be really ****ed if they found out.
2) It would be a little hard to explain to a prospective employer...they would understand you were legal, but they would also understand that your company would not have approved.
07-12-2006, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Theoretically, if you sit reserve and do part 91 non-revenue repositioning legs (which I do several times a week) you could log PIC if the captain was willing to let you do it (he would have to log SIC, which is legal for him).
We have little to no paperwork for a 91 flight, so there's not much official papertrail, but obviously the company ASSUMES the captain is going to be PIC...
The two big downsides to doing this are:
1) The company would be really ****ed if they found out.
2) It would be a little hard to explain to a prospective employer...they would understand you were legal, but they would also understand that your company would not have approved.
We have little to no paperwork for a 91 flight, so there's not much official papertrail, but obviously the company ASSUMES the captain is going to be PIC...
The two big downsides to doing this are:
1) The company would be really ****ed if they found out.
2) It would be a little hard to explain to a prospective employer...they would understand you were legal, but they would also understand that your company would not have approved.
I don't know who you work for, but the 2 regionals I have been employed with operate a reposition flight exactly the same way they do a revenue flight. Same paper work, everything. The only difference is/was the plane is empty.
07-12-2006, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver
I don't know who you work for, but the 2 regionals I have been employed with operate a reposition flight exactly the same way they do a revenue flight. Same paper work, everything. The only difference is/was the plane is empty.
07-13-2006, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Turbinebound
If you are hired on to fly, lets say a CRJ-200 as a FO. Lets say you also have 1500tt etc and got your ATP. If you go pay and get a type rating in a CRJ-200, can you log PIC on the legs you fly instead of SIC??
Therefore to log PIC time you would have to be designated as PIC as defined in 14 CFR Part 1.1. This is the definition that airlines use in ALL operations (at least mine does, both part 121 with pax and part 91 without) and is the only PIC time they usually will consider.
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07-13-2006, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Mesa. We usually, but not always, get a printout with the airport numbers, but we don't have to do any of the usual paperwork or sign anything. Sometimes at a remote outstation you get the book out and do your own numbers. It's just like taking the 'ol 172 out for a spin...kind of fun actually.
07-16-2006, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Turbinebound
If you are hired on to fly, lets say a CRJ-200 as a FO. Lets say you also have 1500tt etc and got your ATP. If you go pay and get a type rating in a CRJ-200, can you log PIC on the legs you fly instead of SIC??
Everybody else who is all wrapped up in who is the ACTUAL PIC doesn't know what they're talking about.
The people who have brought up the issue of what future employers might think of the time are in left field UNLESS you mis-represent the time. Every Part 121 application I've ever seen wants to know PIC time as when you signed for the aircraft, but as long as you report that correctly on the application what you put in your logbook is up to you.
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