Originally Posted by embraer (Post 1059999)

Not anymore. That was thrown out as part of the "everybody gets to go to AA" deal. As it stands, AMR can give our planes away to whoever they want and Eagle pilots will not go with them.

Oh, and just found out today that the 824 flow-throughs are not merger protected. Meaning if AA merges with anybody at anytime it will void that flow agreement and the Oct. 11th one as well. With BK looming there is no telling what the courts will do as part of AA's restructuring but a merger is not out of the question. Nor is any further meddling with Eagle.

Remember, we have not been divested yet, are still part of AMR which means they and the BK courts can do what they want to us.

Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1059964)

If they spin us off, the BK judge has no say on our pay, since we would be our own company.

Originally Posted by stbloc (Post 1060011)

Right, they will just throw your contract out and put you lift up for bid. That will leave two choices. All take paycuts to keep flying or loose planes and employees.

Originally Posted by What (Post 1059992)

You do understand that the judge will probably rule on industry average. So go look at our pay scales and tell me how much higher they are than industry average. Also, what do you think about RAH parking ERJ. Regionals would love to add AMR flying but AMR SCOPE is tight and 50+ seats is maxed out already and those airplanes have to be flown by Eagle pilots. AMR sitting in a good position to screw employees like the people think. Mechanics are starting to leave, AA pilots are retiring and they are now trying to train as many pilots as they can and they are starting to have an increase in new hire failure. Did I mention that they ATR are being a maintenance headache lately (more than ever). For AMR to move forward it will have to work with it's employees instead of trying to burn them further. Just wait until Oct 1, things will become interesting.

Originally Posted by stbloc (Post 1060020)

Tell me how a judge would rule industry average if that's not working at the moment? Show me where they looked at industry average when other airlines filed. I love how people think that Eagle would waltz through AMR's BK as if nothing will happen to them. Especialy with them flying some of the most dated equipment in the industry.

Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1060014)

Yep, because thats what happened to Xpress jet, mesaba, and compass, those companies are so CH 7 and gone :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by embraer (Post 1059999)

Not anymore. That was thrown out as part of the "everybody gets to go to AA" deal. As it stands, AMR can give our planes away to whoever they want and Eagle pilots will not go with them.

Oh, and just found out today that the 824 flow-throughs are not merger protected. Meaning if AA merges with anybody at anytime it will void that flow agreement and the Oct. 11th one as well. With BK looming there is no telling what the courts will do as part of AA's restructuring but a merger is not out of the question. Nor is any further meddling with Eagle.

Remember, we have not been divested yet, are still part of AMR which means they and the BK courts can do what they want to us.

Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1060005)

Correct. If AMR files BK prior to an Eagle spinoff, Eagle is subject to an 1113 against any labor group just like AA would be. After that, AE would be a seperate company outside the BK process.

I don't see how any AA merger would "void" the 824 agreement though. I could see it resulting in an extended delay before any AA hiring off the street would take place (perhaps even 5 years or more) and thus take a long time for any of these potentially eligible pilots to actually flow, but a merger automatically voiding it makes no sense to me. The hiring agreement recently reached though is filled with language allowing AMR to bail on that for just about any reason.