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ERJF15 03-30-2010 02:52 PM

Dfw Rnav Sids
 
Guys/Gals

Be careful when climbing out of DFW during RNAV SID's in strong cross winds. For the Embraer, the FD may initially indicate a turn in the opposite direction of the true course. This can cause you to drift toward the center of airport and maybe in the departure path of the aircraft departing from the other side of the field.

Just trying to give a heads up. Make sure your FMS's are correct and Be careful!

meeko031 03-30-2010 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by ERJF15 (Post 786852)
Guys/Gals

Be careful when climbing out of DFW during RNAV SID's in strong cross winds. For the Embraer, the FD may initially indicate a turn in the opposite direction of the true course. This can cause you to drift toward the center of airport and maybe in the departure path of the aircraft departing from the other side of the field.

Just trying to give a heads up. Make sure your FMS's are correct and Be careful!

Ahh, you guys are the reason why we get the company message every other week about checking the sid. :D

is it just eagle or are there any reports of other violations?

withthatsaid182 03-30-2010 03:28 PM

maybe it's time to simulate this in the sim.

ERJF15 03-30-2010 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by meeko031 (Post 786877)
Ahh, you guys are the reason why we get the company message every other week about checking the sid. :D

is it just eagle or are there any reports of other violations?

It's happening to other companies. It hasn't happened to me, but I know a few of us that it has. You can have everything correct and following the FD. Next thing you know, departure says give us a call when you get to XYZ.

I try not to do any turns unless the FD matches the course.


Originally Posted by withthatsaid182 (Post 786879)
maybe it's time to simulate this in the sim.

It's already been done.

Bloodhound 03-30-2010 04:23 PM

I've got a buddy (XJT) who was called to an ASAP meeting for this exact thing.

ERJF15 03-30-2010 04:43 PM

We just gotta make sure that the FD is giving the correct info before we start doing what it says.

AV8N101 03-30-2010 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by ERJF15 (Post 786852)
Guys/Gals

Be careful when climbing out of DFW during RNAV SID's in strong cross winds. For the Embraer, the FD may initially indicate a turn in the opposite direction of the true course. This can cause you to drift toward the center of airport and maybe in the departure path of the aircraft departing from the other side of the field.

Just trying to give a heads up. Make sure your FMS's are correct and Be careful!

Good Info...

Be sure to watch out on those "cold and light" days too. When you make that climb sooner, rather than later to the "float'n fix (altitude)"...the FMS will from time to time get confused and try to fly an "intercept to fix" radial (turn the wrong way) instead of making a direct turn to the first "hard" fix on the SID. Not nearly as common on the E145's unless the load is very light or with the strong x-winds that ERJF15 mentioned, but have seen this more than once when fly'n the few E135's that pass thru DFW (not to mention, a couple of times on the E140's too).

Remember...be safe out there, and verify it before y'all fly it! ;)

AV8N101



Tinpusher007 03-31-2010 06:59 AM

At XJ, they don't even let us hand-fly those things...A/P n at 600ft!

Bloodhound 03-31-2010 07:18 AM

A/P is what will get you in trouble in THIS situation.

ERJF15 03-31-2010 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 787214)
At XJ, they don't even let us hand-fly those things...A/P n at 600ft!


It's been an option at EGL. Problem is, you click on the AP and then you'll ask the Airbus question...now what is this thing doing?

"EGL 1234...call this numebr when you get to BFE! Also, BOHIC!"


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