Does anyone have any idea where our new rest
 

Anyone in the know about what happened to our new rest rules?, if not does anyone know who we can contact in the FAA to find out. I have a bad feeling that this is not going to happen.

Probably people stopped paying attention so the initiative went out the window until the next accident.

It went down the toilet along with pay, work rules, and career progression.

It is embedded in the FAA REAUTHORIZATION ACT OF 2010, it is now in commitee hashing out the differences between the house and senate..correct me if I am wrong!

Anyone know the specifics?

The 16-hour duty day has to come to an end.

I don't know how the rest of you feel, but since the Colgan crash, calling in Fatigued has become a non-event

That's not really the point. That accident was only loosely related to fatigue. As I understand it, the crew stalled the airplane and executed a recovery from the stall which only made it worse.

A legal 16-hour duty day is absurd and the rest of the western aviation world recognizes this by having more realistic max duty periods.

We shouldn't have to call in fatigued. We should have regulations which prevent this kind of thing.

Last I heard, NPRM (Notice for Public Rule Making?) is supposted to be out by the end of April according to FAA testimony to Congress....it was originally scheduled for the end of March....google FAA Fact Sheet for 1/27/2010 and read it...it says to expect an update in the Spring of this year.

FYI... Horizon is coming up with their our "new" rest requirements. This was caused by the extreme amount of fatigue calls/cancellations. This is one great example of the pilots and FA's working together to express good decision making, unity, and the responsibility of a airline crew. Through the fatigue calls MGMT is evaluating and will likely change the rest requirements and duty day. Rumors are no less than 10 rest and max duty of 12 hours.
Now, let actually see if it goes through. At AAG they are going to the extreme of crunching pennies. So, if those new times do go through then it is a step in the right derection. Good job to the QX crews that called in fatigued and didn't fly fatigued.

Kudos for Horizon pilots and FAs if that's what they really did. I agree with Max duty time of no more than 12 hours and minimum overnight rest period of at least 10 hours, preferably 11 hours of rest to account for waiting for passengers to deplane, which can be very long especially if there are many requiring WCs, waiting for the hotel van and van ride to the hotel.

That's easy to fix, don't leave it up to chance that you'll get stuck waiting on passengers. Make sure it is in your contract that rest is "time behind the door." Just call when you get to the hotel, problem solved.

Hi!

The previous congressional changes to Rest were Lobby-to-Lobby.

The Flight/Duty/Rest, increased mins for all -121 hires, and a bunch of other stuff are all included in the FAA authorization bill, that already passed Senate and House. As stated, the house/senate committee is working on a compromise on the differences.

I'm not sure if the F/D/R rules will be changed automatically by Congress, or if they give the FAA some time to make the changes vis NPRM. If the FAA is too slow, then Congress will probably enact the changes immediately, as they did with Age 65.

There WILL be a LOT of changes!

cliff

I do not trust anything our managers do or say. However, we did have an extra bit of ammunition that many regionals don't have. That is an actual fatigue policy. Other regional pilots can be stuck between a rock and a hard place with fatigue calls. Yes, ultimately they will keep their job with the FAA backing them. But the fight that can potentially happen in the meantime would be a bummer (especially with low paid pilots who cannot afford a couple of months without pay).

I am very glad rest and duty changes are happening at Horizon (eventually). But, I have no doubt they came about because it became too expensive to keep trying to work us to exhaustion. For the managers making the decision it has nothing to do with safety.

Because it is so incredibly easy to get anything into a contract we wish.