Delta hiring = movement?
 

Just a thought while I'm on the internet here in Iraq...Delta is supposedly hiring 250 starting around summer time. Will that mean recalls and/or hiring on the regional airline level?

Hopefully! I'm guessing many mid-range captain at regionals will be applying. Not to mention flow-throughs from Compass and Mesaba will help too.

I'm actually pleasantly surprised that several majors are hiring before regionals are. Except for a little bit of Colgan, Eagle, and Compass hiring in the past months, JetBlue, Airtran and now Delta have seemed to begin opening the floodgates. I thought regionals would start hiring again and it would be awhile longer until any major was.

Of course I better duck now because I just said something positive on APC! :eek:

maybe. delta does a good job taking its fair share of pilots from the military, who may not be in the regionals. but the best case scenario is 250 recalls/new hires at the regional level divided among the 15 or so regional airlines. with a large chunk coming from compass and mesaba due to the flow thru agreements. of course if each airline only loses a few pilots maybe they will just increase everyones line values just enough to cover the lost handfull of people. the hiring boom is on.

I'll have to dig through the pages of delta threads, but does anyone know why Delta is hiring 250? Attrition? Retirement? Expansion?

If it is retirement, is this the "outflow boundary" of the predicted 2012 retirement?

The number was 240. There is a thread about it in the Majors forum. Here's the email I got from airline apps.

"Delta will begin hiring pilots after the summer schedule ramps down in late August. Right now they anticipate needing an additional 240 pilots based on forecasted retirements and an increase in flying.

For those pilots interested in joining the Delta team, please update your application in the Airline Apps system. For those who don't currently have a Delta application in Airline Apps, simply add Delta to your job targeting or click the new applicant link to start a new application."

The latest number is 300

I've heard new hire classes of 30. The first three or four classes could be pretty much all Compass and Mesaba folks, but after that they hit the annual percentage limits that protect Compass and Mesaba from losing too many of their pilots at one time. Compass has rights to 20 seats and Mesaba 9 for the pilots that qualify for the flow provisions in the first couple of classes though.

Major expansion; they can't stand the thought of not being "the world's largest airline". ;)

We need bigger numbers then 240... Its nice, but its not gonna change the world.

Another consideration is that approx 300 pilots remain on voluntary furlough and their return, when it occurs (and you have to assume most will return), will impact hiring from the street. As the previous poster said, it's a start but more is needed to really see an impact.

I was never really naive enough to think that 300 would cause the earth to move. I did, however, think it possible to believe that if Delta was starting to need to hire, then maybe others would as well in the near future. I looked at it as possibly a sign of the times to come.

I actually think it will take more than that....

If majors begin to hire now because of expansion, it is going to be nuts when attrition starts.

Expansion + Age 65 Attrition = Pow

Keep dreamin fellas...............

How much more can the Majors really expand? Take a look at whats going on in the Global Economy, I think the worst is yet to come, especially with the airlines.............

I also think the chances of getting hired at Delta are slim, to say the least. I have ZERO sick time left so that right there disqualifies me :), not to mention, I have 0 PIC turbine, didn't come from the Military, blah blah blah.

and there are pleanty of folks that have the qualifications..each person is different. Cutting regional capacity will lead to mainline growth.

Where would the furlough guys fall in the lineup? Would they have first dibs on a class?

Recall guys have first crack at class. That being said, only about 30 out of 300 have shown interest in returning. After them, flow-ups & then off the street.

I for one would prefer to NOT be the worlds largest airline. The title is all yours United. Although we will still have a larger fleet.;)

If this holds true, it's going to hurt a lot more then just the airlines.

The thing about Greece is that it is not an isolated case. Spain, Ireland and Italy are all heading down that road. Japan is already there. The United States is really close. Look for the problems in Greece to play out all over the world over and over. There is no way that the US and all these other contries can pay off their debt without making some really difficult decisions. I expect things to get worse also.

I personally know a vol-F with about 10 years seniority at least that can't wait to come back. Was at NWA and took a vol-F several years ago for personal reasons. I don't see DAL alone causing much movement in the regionals. But it's better than DAL furloughing, that's for sure!

The latest AE/training bid released this week had over 300 vacancies due to increased flying. This includes displacements off the DC9. Another bid will be out for August and will start really taking into account next year's flying. Increased vacancies off that should translate into numbers greater than 300 for hiring. Whatever the number, it sure is a step in the right direction.

The global markets could prove a mess though.

Thats interesting. I was thinking it would be north of 75%. There aren't a lot of better gigs right now. Is there anyway to get hard numbers from how many are planning on going back? I guess we could start a thread with a vote for those that are out and assume it would be a good sample.

bingo!

A good chunk of those guys are CA's at places like Jetblue, Airtran, etc. Itd be smart for those to stick around where they're at. Also a good number of them are military and are trying to stay in to get the full retirement. Some have moved on to other things also. I was told that 30 thus far have shown interest in returning but i suspect that number to increase a little once the letters get sent out. We'll see

Either way, hiring sure beats the alternative ;)

Hi!

From other posts:
Compass is the 1st 20 per month, up to a max of 20?% in a rolling 12 mos period. Then, Mesaba is 9 per class, then off the street. The furlough bypass guys have until 2014 to return, which I'm sure most of them will, by that date.

DAL, JetBlue, AirTran, Allegient, Virgin America, Atlas, Southern, ATI, Compass, Eagle, Colgan, Great Lakes, + other domestic and a TON of foreign airlines are hiring.

cliff
LFW

I would think that sample would be skewed because only guys interested in coming back would read this message board. If you are not looking to come back why read up on the gossip?

Well that sounds mighty inteligent....what are you doing flying planes sir?
:D

I'm not! Well by way of furlough.

Is this for real? so this is the big break we all are expecting? cause my airline is recalling people, like 8 guys a year and I am still way down in to the list ...

Hi!

"The Big Break"???
No. It shows that things are improving over last year.

Barring a catastrophe, I think pilot hiring conditions for us (pilots) will gradually improve through about 2014/2015 and then?????????????????

cliff
LFW
PS-Met a lady on a plane who was a 2012 tourist. She said she wants to see as much of the world as she can before Dec, 2012...