The Juice

Serious, you must be a joy to fly with.

Your attitude is dangerous!!! I can see an FO wanting to call in fatigued and you try and talk him out of it "Listen, you have only been on duty for 12:55 minutes, only flown 5:44 minutes and had 3 days off before starting this 4 day, you can not be fatigued using my calculations so you should not and can not be fatigued."

Your attitude is more dangerous than any poorly trained pilot in the sky. You want to fight a change that will make the industry safer as a whole. It does not matter if 3407 could have been prevented with new rest rules, the skies will be safer with them. If you are not able to see and realize this obvious fact I do not know your type of dangerous thinking can ever be changed.

FNFAL

Are you going to retire in that crj 200 without a furlough or loss of medical. If so then enjoy your cherry schedule. Maybe you forgot what starting over again at the bottom feels like.

Just because you have some seniority in a 200 doesn't mean that your reserves are well rested, or you will be in your next job.

FNFAL

I wonder how many times you have to nod off during cruise to figure out that that circadian rhythms don't work on a 4 day / 3 day clock. Its 24 hours and fatigue is cumulative.

Also Joe don't sell yourself short, I've been in your seat and it gets tiring. Stand ups/reduced rest and all the little scheduling games take a toll. You may be sitting nice on the seniority list now, but your only a day away from begging for an F/O reserve slot from someone else.

Contrary to popular belief it is possible to be tired at the beginning of the trip if you are continuing a hell month of reduced rest and bad sleep.

mwa1

just what we need more studies - which being interpreted means we are waiting for things to blow over and not act.

microclimates

Dual instruction? in what? how to turn an impending stall into a full stall/spin? that's pretty full-on instruction! Was the super captain showing the silly FO what would happen if they just disregarded the shaker/pusher/lights etc. etc?

This was gross negligence. pilot error. whatever. It was truly horrible airmanship and not much more. sometimes, horrible as it might be, it is truly that simple.

That said, I agree that much of the industry needs to be changed, and if this is the opening we get, we'll ride it as far as we can. But at least amongst us, who live this profession every day, we have got to call it as it is. Otherwise, there should be not redeye, no cargo ops, no long-haul...

Personally, I'd like to see a simple change that might have a large impact: simply mandate that we get paid for duty, instead of flight time. Apart from the fact that it makes a lot more sense, logically, this would make efficient scheduling a sound business practice, and hopefully cut down the number of ultra long duty days.