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USN(Ret) 05-22-2010 10:49 AM

CRJ200 Question
 
I was wondering if some of you gents could help me out. Could you tell me what the break-even point would be, pax load wise, on a 300nm leg in a CRJ200?

Skywest, if that makes any difference.

myoface 05-22-2010 10:52 AM

Depends on the price the pax pay for each ticket.

GearMover 05-22-2010 11:43 AM

If you have a question like this why not go to the source Bombardier. Now you will have plug in some numbers on your own. If reading and doing some math seems like too much work I'll give you and answer 10.1254824

Bombardier CRJSeries - JetSense

Golden Bear 05-22-2010 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by myoface (Post 815525)
Depends on the price the pax pay for each ticket.

For a majority of CRJs, those that operate under Fee For Departure agreements with mainline carriers, the BELF is 0. The regional airline gets paid the same either way.

I've had a roundtrip that was empty both ways and called Dispatch to see if we could cancel it, saving fuel expense for mainline and wear and tear for us. After being put on hold for a while the answer came back: We had to go since we got paid for completions.

Crazy industry!

FlyJSH 05-22-2010 03:12 PM

A better question to ask is "What are the direct operating cost of a CRJ 200?"

Well, here is a start:
http://www.icao.int/icao/en/ro/allpi...g4/wp28app.pdf
Note that is based on 2000 prices. Jet A is $0.70 per gallon in that sheet, on the spot market today, the price is around $2.10 per gallon Spot Prices for Crude Oil and Petroleum Products. So triple the fuel cost.

rickair7777 05-22-2010 04:14 PM

It varies widely with many factors, but a good ballpark estimate would be 40-65 pax.

Yes, I know it only seats 50...that's why there are so many of them in the desert.

saab2000 05-22-2010 06:18 PM

Is this a joke? Honest...

There are so many factors that it's not a real question. Very often the passenger buys a ticket from, say, RIC-PHL (an example of a roughly 300 mile trip on the airline I fly with) but that passenger is probably not staying in PHL. That passenger is flying RIC-PHL-FRA or RIC-PHL-DTW or RIC-PHL-LAX. So there is no way of knowing what, or if, there is a break even point. It is all how the airline decides the break it down. The passenger doesn't pay the ticket on a per-leg basis.

This is why it is not quite so cut and dry as to whether or not the 50-seat so-called "RJ" is profitable or not. Nothing is as simple as it looks, including the economics of the CRJ-200.

Finally, pilots are not accountants or business folks for the most part. We all are pretty sure we could run the business better, but really, probably we couldn't. So I doubt there is anyone here who can really answer your question. Why don't you go to www.airlinemanagementforums.com and I am sure they will have the answer. :D

USN(Ret) 05-22-2010 09:21 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 815615)
It varies widely with many factors, but a good ballpark estimate would be 40-65 pax.

Yes, I know it only seats 50...that's why there are so many of them in the desert.

Thanks for the answer.

Just curious why United/Skywest would take over a market with CRJ's, when the previous carrier Delta/Mesaba, couldn't make it work with Saabs.

USN(Ret) 05-22-2010 09:59 PM

There's no need for the wise crack answers. You only reinforce why I often spend hours on the interstate to find the closest 737.

chignutsak 05-22-2010 11:17 PM


Originally Posted by USN(Ret) (Post 815732)
There's no need for the wise crack answers. You only reinforce why I often spend hours on the interstate to find the closest 737.

Ask 737 guys their break-even point and you will get "wise crack" answers also.


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