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seafeye 06-08-2010 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by DAL4EVER (Post 823390)
You get two days of ground school a year? At Delta, we get zero. Its all done on CD and then you go to the school house for two days of sim work. IMO we've gone to far to the cheap end of the training spectrum.

I put a sticker on the door at the training dept changing thier name to the testing dept. I hear stories about companies having 2 weeks of training crammed into 4 weeks. I also hear stories about people getting more than 10 days off a month....

CrippleHawk 06-08-2010 03:31 PM

I do not believe a thing that the RAA say when it comes to safety

Blueskies21 06-08-2010 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by CrippleHawk (Post 823514)
I do not believe a thing that the RAA say when it comes to safety

Why not? Safety is their number 1 Priority, just ask them they'll tell you. It's right behind covering their collective Hindquarters, and Profits and whatever else might be of operational concern to their members, but safety is number one just ask them.

winglet 06-08-2010 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by CrippleHawk (Post 823514)
I do not believe a thing that the RAA say when it comes to safety

CrippleHawk,

Exactly! It's interesting to see the industry "leaders" reveal their intentions.

"RAA’s Strategic Safety Initiative Recommendations

Create a single database of pilot records
Conduct random fatigue tests
Examine commuting
Extend background-check timeframe
Audit cockpit voice recordings
Improve tracking and analysis of check rides"


The very people who created the "race-to-the-bottom" are proposing the solution to their problem is blaming the employees.

winglet

Blueskies21 06-08-2010 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by winglet (Post 823568)
CrippleHawk,

Exactly! It's interesting to see the industry "leaders" reveal their intentions.

RAA’s Strategic Safety Initiative Recommendations
Safe



Create a single database of pilot records


Conduct random fatigue tests


Examine commuting


Extend background-check timeframe


Audit cockpit voice recordingsImprove tracking and analysis of check rides
winglet


YIKES! That sounds like a management wet dream and NO WAY will that stuff improve safety. Lets all just knee jerk reaction to the last accident shall we? And what's a random fatigue test??? "Are you tired today?" Yes. Test over.

andy171773 06-08-2010 06:07 PM

Example of random fatigue test.

Tester
"are you tired?"
Pilot
"no"

::this concludes the test::

CrippleHawk 06-08-2010 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by winglet (Post 823568)
CrippleHawk,

Exactly! It's interesting to see the industry "leaders" reveal their intentions.

"RAA’s Strategic Safety Initiative Recommendations

Create a single database of pilot records
Conduct random fatigue tests
Examine commuting
Extend background-check timeframe
Audit cockpit voice recordings
Improve tracking and analysis of check rides"

The very people who created the "race-to-the-bottom" are proposing the solution to their problem is blaming the employees.

winglet


We have been doing alot of FDR downloads recently

Nevets 06-10-2010 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by CrippleHawk (Post 823612)
We have been doing alot of FDR downloads recently

Who is we? And for what purpose?

Zapata 06-10-2010 09:55 AM

Dawn for management and shareholders. Dusk for Pilots, FA's, rampers, dx'ers etc..

CrippleHawk 06-10-2010 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 824315)
Who is we? And for what purpose?


I mean us A&P mechanic (I am a MAG mechanic out a Dulles). This started a few months after the Colgan 3407. They are doing it in the name of safety or so they say. (they claim they want to see how the a/cs are being treated by pilots etc etc etc.)

But I feel that MGMT is just trying to screw with their employess from pilots to MX. And they are trying to find anything to get rid of them. MY company fired 5 people for simple mistakes in paperwork (keep in mind we are understaffed for the work we get, so it's bound to happen).....................and it'sjust not MAG that does this.


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