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atrdriver 06-16-2010 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by heading180 (Post 827414)
Just curious, is ASA displacing crews to fill the bid? Any one basically "involuntarily" going over there?

No.






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TonyWilliams 06-16-2010 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by heading180 (Post 827414)
Just curious, is ASA displacing crews to fill the bid? Any one basically "involuntarily" going over there?


I doubt it. I think they're tripping over each other for the jobs. See this thread:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...tml#post755533

My company is hiring 24 bodies for the current 4 CRJ-900's at a company that pays quite a bit more than this one. Wonder why?

atrdriver 06-16-2010 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by TonyWilliams (Post 827422)
I doubt it. I think they're tripping over each other for the jobs. See this thread:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...tml#post755533

My company is hiring 24 bodies for the current 4 CRJ-900's at a company that pays quite a bit more than this one. Wonder why?

I think you've already established your holier-than-thou attitude in a number of other posts. It's wearing thin.

TonyWilliams 06-16-2010 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by atrdriver (Post 827437)
I think you've already established your holier-than-thou attitude in a number of other posts. It's wearing thin.


Huh? I'm definitely not holy !!!!

Oh, maybe mentioning that this contract is the LOWEST ever written for a CRJ contract anywhere in the world [edit; except Rwandair !!!!!] ???? Am I holy now?

The facts are clear. You call it "Holy", I call it something else.

Hope that doesn't "wear" on you.... GoASA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

todd1200 06-16-2010 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by atrdriver (Post 827437)
I think you've already established your holier-than-thou attitude in a number of other posts. It's wearing thin.

Tony is providing valuable advice based on his firsthand experience. I hope anyone thinking about the Air Mekong offer gives his statements adequate consideration -- even if they don't want to accept what he has to say.

TonyWilliams 06-16-2010 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by todd1200 (Post 827453)
Tony is providing valuable advice based on his firsthand experience.


Here's an interesting expat story for you all from a few days ago. Expat FO went to the finance office to collect his per diem for an upcoming simulator recurrent in London. You'll note that the third world tends to deal in cash.

So, when he picked up his 500 pound sterling, the girl gave him a receipt for 900. He said that was wrong, and wouldn't sign.

Sounds like maybe the girl was trying to scam 400 pounds. Very common.

But, here's the good "3rd world surprise" that seems to be more the norm than not.

Finance manager hears the commotion in the next office, and comes over to see the girl attacking him physically. Manager asks what's going on, and eventually asks the FO if he signed for the money, to which he said, "no".

Manager calls security, which hauls off the FO to the local police. Chief pilot is called in the middle of the world cup soccer game between England and USA. Not happy, I'm sure. He tells the police to throw him in jail. REALLY. Chief pilot says the FO is through at this company.

FO calls the UK embassy and gets the actual dude to drive to the jail and bail him out (also during the aforementioned game... wonder if our USA embassy would be so gracious... based on my contacts, no).

FO is released from jail, and now won't get paid any money owed him (also very common) and will get to buy a ticket home at the last minute for mega $$$$.

I'm sure NOTHING like this will happen in Vietnam.

Oh, the girl is pressing charges for assault / battery. I don't recommend that he return to this country any time, ever. And, that could affect his employment at other companies that fly in here. It might affect him even getting hired at other places.

Finally, the company dropped it's accusations of theft of their money. But, the embassy dude said that is common, and then they come to grab you at 3am when nobody is around to "save" you. His advice... get out of the country NOW.

TonyWilliams 06-16-2010 09:32 AM

Another Expat recent story
 
I was told mere days before my scheduled rotation home on Thursday at my CRJ-900 expat operator that due to people quitting (because it's a crappy company that doesn't pay on time), I would not be allowed to go home. Instead, I would keep working, even though the contract doesn't provide for that, nor had I been paid.

I went home anyway.

atpcliff 06-16-2010 05:12 PM

R U up-to-date on pay now?

I am VERY thankful that we are getting our pay and weekly perdiem and "lunch money" on time, every time!

cliff
FLW

Gunga Galunga 06-16-2010 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by TonyWilliams (Post 827450)
Huh? I'm definitely not holy !!!!

Oh, maybe mentioning that this contract is the LOWEST ever written for a CRJ contract anywhere in the world???? Am I holy now?

The facts are clear. You call it "Holy", I call it something else.

Hope that doesn't "wear" on you.... GoASA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tony -

I posted this in the ASA/Vietnam combined thread on page 23 a while back. Again, I am not arguing for or against the pay issue.

"Just something I came across in the ALPA furloughed pilots support program that's sent out quarterly. I'm not arguing for or against the Air Mekong stuff, just found it an interesting comparison.

Rwandair, the national airline of Rwanda, has immediate openings for CRJ200 captains and FO's.
-Captains must be type rated and current
-FO's must be qualified and current
-Contract of 1 year, renewable
-Salary based on 75 hours:
LCP- $8,000
TRI/TRE-$8,250
FO- $1,000 to $3,500 based on experience.
-Yearly bonus of 5K for captains, 3K for FO's
- Housing allowance of $800
-Travel in economy class to and from the contract
-8 days off per month
-30 days leave per year
-Medical while in Rwanda (whatever that is worth), Loss of life and loss of license"

GG

hotelmode 06-16-2010 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by TonyWilliams (Post 827471)
Here's an interesting expat story for you all from a few days ago. Expat FO went to the finance office to collect his per diem for an upcoming simulator recurrent in London. You'll note that the third world tends to deal in cash.

So, when he picked up his 500 pound sterling, the girl gave him a receipt for 900. He said that was wrong, and wouldn't sign.

Sounds like maybe the girl was trying to scam 400 pounds. Very common.

But, here's the good "3rd world surprise" that seems to be more the norm than not.

Finance manager hears the commotion in the next office, and comes over to see the girl attacking him physically. Manager asks what's going on, and eventually asks the FO if he signed for the money, to which he said, "no".

Manager calls security, which hauls off the FO to the local police. Chief pilot is called in the middle of the world cup soccer game between England and USA. Not happy, I'm sure. He tells the police to throw him in jail. REALLY. Chief pilot says the FO is through at this company.

FO calls the UK embassy and gets the actual dude to drive to the jail and bail him out (also during the aforementioned game... wonder if our USA embassy would be so gracious... based on my contacts, no).

FO is released from jail, and now won't get paid any money owed him (also very common) and will get to buy a ticket home at the last minute for mega $$$$.

I'm sure NOTHING like this will happen in Vietnam.

Oh, the girl is pressing charges for assault / battery. I don't recommend that he return to this country any time, ever. And, that could affect his employment at other companies that fly in here. It might affect him even getting hired at other places.

Finally, the company dropped it's accusations of theft of their money. But, the embassy dude said that is common, and then they come to grab you at 3am when nobody is around to "save" you. His advice... get out of the country NOW.


You guys should come work for Air Mekong. It's going to be fun.

Regards,
hotelmode


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