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sulkair 06-19-2010 02:41 PM
Can they change your base month?
 
My base months have always been December (the month I took my upgrade check ride) and June (6 months from my check ride)

The last PC I did was in July 2009 (Late Grace) then a PT in January 2010(also Late Grace).

Won't i de-qual at the end of July 2010? Or can the company alter my base month to July (because my last PC was in July, thereby making me legal until Aug 31?

Thanks all!

selcal 06-19-2010 02:46 PM
Originally Posted by sulkair (Post 829252)
My base months have always been December (the month I took my upgrade check ride) and June (6 months from my check ride)

The last PC I did was in July 2009 (Late Grace) then a PT in January 2010(also Late Grace).

Won't i de-qual at the end of July 2010? Or is it legal for the company to alter my base month to July (because my last PC and PT were in the late grace months) making me legal until Aug 31 (my NEW late grace)? cuz thats what they r tryin to do!
I thought that you could either take your check in your prior, due, or grace month and that all counted as if you checked in your due month. If you check outside that range it resets your due month. I believe you are correct, by checking in your grace month you did not reset your due month.

sulkair 06-19-2010 03:32 PM
Oh wait, I just realized something. Last July I de-qualed for landings just two days before my scheduled late grace PT. So they changed it into a proficiency CHECK ride. Would this have reset my base month to July?

AtlCSIP 06-19-2010 07:22 PM
The paperwork should say what your base month is.

rickair7777 06-20-2010 07:44 AM
Originally Posted by sulkair (Post 829263)
Oh wait, I just realized something. Last July I de-qualed for landings just two days before my scheduled late grace PT. So they changed it into a proficiency CHECK ride. Would this have reset my base month to July?
No, it should not have. They are not allowed to reset your base month using late grace because then every airline would always check you in late grace, reset you, and effectively have 13 month cycle instead of 12 to save money (at the expense of $afety of course).

The only way your base should change is if you checked eithr after or before the grace month. I suppose if the airline wanted to reset your base to early grace that would be allowed, but they could not go the other way.

sulkair 06-20-2010 10:17 AM
Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 829526)
No, it should not have. They are not allowed to reset your base month using late grace because then every airline would always check you in late grace, reset you, and effectively have 13 month cycle instead of 12 to save money (at the expense of $afety of course).

The only way your base should change is if you checked eithr after or before the grace month. I suppose if the airline wanted to reset your base to early grace that would be allowed, but they could not go the other way.
so even though I dequaled for landings and it got changed up to a PC and then two legs of IOE, my base month would not have changed? What is my recourse here? Should I refuse to fly after July 31? Call FAA? Guess I'll have a chat with the Training Department first. I know what they're trying to do. I'm transitioning to another airframe Aug 30 and they don't want to send me out for a check in July when they're only going to get another month out of me.

atpcliff 06-21-2010 07:40 PM
Hi!

They CAN change your base month, and might to try and even out their training. I had 2 PC checks 3 mos apart.

cliff
LFW

rickair7777 06-22-2010 05:48 AM
Originally Posted by atpcliff (Post 830233)
Hi!

They CAN change your base month, and might to try and even out their training. I had 2 PC checks 3 mos apart.

cliff
LFW
Of course they can change it, but they cannot use a late-grace PC to do so...they would have to give you an early PC or two PC's.

rickair7777 06-22-2010 05:53 AM
Originally Posted by sulkair (Post 829584)
so even though I dequaled for landings and it got changed up to a PC and then two legs of IOE, my base month would not have changed? What is my recourse here? Should I refuse to fly after July 31? Call FAA? Guess I'll have a chat with the Training Department first. I know what they're trying to do. I'm transitioning to another airframe Aug 30 and they don't want to send me out for a check in July when they're only going to get another month out of me.
Sounds like they are using the fact that you dequaled on LDGs, did a PC and some IOE as a reset. Sounds like a grey area to me...IOE does NOT set your base month, but maybe the fact that IOE was involved and you dequaled on LDG's create enough benefit of the doubt.

I would ask training first, then your airlines POI, via email if possible. I'd be curious to know what they say...

sulkair 06-22-2010 07:03 AM
Thanks rickair - I will let you know the verdict.


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