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mooney 07-03-2010 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by Red Forman (Post 836313)
I'm sure that rumor was started by someone who busted a ride and needed a reason to blame someone else for their mistakes.

+1


Originally Posted by Red Forman (Post 836361)
Thanks for calling me a liar.

+1 again......that's like the fat kid in school saying "anyone who hasn't got an F in P.E. is lying....

HercAC 07-03-2010 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by Pipes (Post 836316)
Dude, lighten up. This is the least of your worries. Just because u fail a checkride or 2 or 5 or 10 doesn't mean you cant get a job and it doesn't mean ur a bad pilot. All it means is you had a bad day. You have been listening too much to the BS. Anyone who has not hooked a check at sometime in their life is lying. You can hook every check in the military and still get a 2nd chance. Have a beer and relax!

Really? What military would this statement be referring to?

The Juice 07-03-2010 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by Pipes (Post 836316)
Dude, lighten up. This is the least of your worries. Just because u fail a checkride or 2 or 5 or 10 doesn't mean you cant get a job and it doesn't mean ur a bad pilot. All it means is you had a bad day. You have been listening too much to the BS. Anyone who has not hooked a check at sometime in their life is lying. You can hook every check in the military and still get a 2nd chance. Have a beer and relax!

No sir, failing 10 checkrides DOES mean you are a bad pilot

Silver02ex 07-03-2010 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by PinnacleFO (Post 836315)
false rumor. Some guys got busted for showing up to recurrent without updated manuals. It was probably one of them.

You mean the guy that was 2 LIDO's behind and making phone calls while his sim parter (FO) was doing a single engine approach. (I'm not kidding) Too bad you didn't get a chance the read the email from the Check airman that was sent to the BM in DTW about the PC.

Red Forman 07-03-2010 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by Silver02ex (Post 836444)
You mean the guy that was 2 LIDO's behind and making phone calls while his sim parter (FO) was doing a single engine approach. (I'm not kidding) Too bad you didn't get a chance the read the email from the Check airman that was sent to the BM in DTW about the PC.

How on earth could him failing that ride be his fault? He must have just been having a bad day.

CanyonBlue 07-03-2010 03:27 PM

He has alot of them from what I hear.

aviatorpr 07-03-2010 08:10 PM

"You mean the guy that was 2 LIDO's behind and making phone calls while his sim parter (FO) was doing a single engine approach. (I'm not kidding) Too bad you didn't get a chance the read the email from the Check airman that was sent to the BM in DTW about the PC."

-pm me with the details of that one, havent heard about this

BYUFlyr 07-03-2010 08:29 PM

I'm going to go with the theory that there is a correlation with the bottom of the barrel regionals and checkride failure rates, but not because of a devious management plan to keep pilots from moving on. I mean training pilots is not cheap and the less training they give you in preparation for your checkride the cheaper it is for the company and the greater your chances of busting a checkride. I haven't busted a checkride yet, but I attribute it to individual preparation and even more to luck. I believe in "bad days" because I've had them during training.

Some companies invest 'x' amount of $ into training and as long as you meet them halfway in doing your own part you'll be alright. Other companies invest considerably less and thus require the individual pilot to meet the training department 80% of the way to have the same preparation as the other guy. That's just my point of view.... it may not be the absolute truth, but it makes me feel a little better in explaining why my buddy at Skywest doesn't have to sweat as much as I do during recurrent.

minimwage4 07-03-2010 10:53 PM


Originally Posted by marlonmoneda1 (Post 836285)
Heard a rumor that pinnacle had a history of failing pilots for bogus reasons, including making it so it's harder for them to move on to prevent attrition...any truth to this? (not happy as a mesaba pilot coming into this)

This is a classic tactic for D-BAG operators. Reason being they can't keep pilots from leaving so they fail them, mostly CAs. However, I'm not sure Pinnacle is in that position right now.

Whacker77 07-04-2010 06:10 AM

Doesn't make sense on any level. One, this is a cost driven industry. If there are lots of high time pilots on the pay role, the costs for Pinnacle go up. Two, why would Pinnacle want to be known as an airline with hundreds of pilots who have failed check rides?

This, to me, sounds like the kind of story that gets started after years of fruitless labor negotiations.


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