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BSOuthisplace 07-08-2010 02:22 PM

Effect of lifting DCA Perimeter Rule
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

If this goes through, how will it effect regional operations at DCA? Mainly US Airways (PSA, AWAC, CHQ)

My thought is many of the regional flights will be replaced by new west coast destinations and maybe one more PHX.

Blueskies21 07-08-2010 04:00 PM

When I click that link it goes to Mesa's APC profile.. what am I supposed to be seeing there?:confused:

saab2000 07-08-2010 05:05 PM

I would also like to see what would happen with LGA if they lifted that perimeter rule.

Both of them should be eliminated in my opinion.

meyers9163 07-08-2010 05:45 PM

If DCA did drop that you'd probably see more of a "hub" in DCA. Regional feed per psa, pdt, rah, awac would still be needed. But you'd see flights like DCA-LAX, DCA-SFO, DCA-CUN etc etc... Also DAL would benefit with it in DCA as Airways, AA, DAL all would in LGA. But in LGA you have the port authority and they are just control freaks... But it would be great to go LGA-CUN, LGA-SEA etc... And yes regional feed would be cut some for "slot" reasons... Also I doubt you'd see the DAL/Airways court case due to them dropping it if either lost the perimeter rule.. Imho

pilot772 07-08-2010 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by Blueskies21 (Post 838982)
When I click that link it goes to Mesa's APC profile.. what am I supposed to be seeing there?:confused:

Been awhile since I read about it but I think they are referring to the segment lengths that are allowed out of both DCA and LGA. Similar to the Wright Amendment when IAD and JFK wore built they restricted the amount of long haul (transcon's) that could be done in and out of these airports to encourage airlines to utilize the brand new airports just down the road. If they lifted this restriction with no change to the slots then Many more long hauls would replace the current east Coast shuttles. Not to be confused with "The Shuttle" :D I mean a lot less BUF, ROC, CAE, GSP, GSO, etc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_...r_restrictions

BSOuthisplace 07-08-2010 08:38 PM

sorry bout the wrong link... fixed it up there and here it is again.

washingtonpost.com

my concern is DCA is slot controlled so unless US Airways starts flying redeyes to the west coast, I think some of the regional feed would have to be reduced.

saab2000 07-09-2010 04:01 AM


Originally Posted by BSOuthisplace (Post 839119)
my concern is DCA is slot controlled so unless US Airways starts flying redeyes to the west coast, I think some of the regional feed would have to be reduced.

That should not be a concern, but something RJ folks should encourage. There would indeed likely be fewer flights to some of the 'local' places like ROC and BUF and GSP, but I don't think they'd disappear. I fly those routes a lot and they are not going in or out empty. The question is how many of those are O&D passengers and how many are just connecting to another flight, which they can also do at CLT or PHL.

Lifting the perimeter rules at LGA and DCA (with no increase in the total movements) would almost certainly reduce RJ operations at these airports, but would also create some growth opportunities and the mother ships and that is good for everyone. I think.

BSOuthisplace 07-09-2010 05:07 AM


Originally Posted by saab2000 (Post 839163)
Lifting the perimeter rules at LGA and DCA (with no increase in the total movements) would almost certainly reduce RJ operations at these airports, but would also create some growth opportunities and the mother ships and that is good for everyone. I think.

Totally agree. More mainline flights is good for all of us.

Sniper 07-09-2010 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by saab2000 (Post 839012)
I would also like to see what would happen with LGA if they lifted that perimeter rule.

Is LOWW allowed from KLGA?(link)

It's only 3,677 NM's away, after all. 'Vision Airlines' plays by their own rules.:D

FlyingNasaForm 07-09-2010 01:05 PM

It would be nice to see this lifted. To bad this isn't the "land of the free".

iahflyr 07-09-2010 01:13 PM

In general, I would support the law, however this would grant it my automatic veto!


Of the flights reserved for small carriers, four would have to offer service to two airports in West Texas, a provision introduced by Hutchison, the ranking minority member of the Commerce Committee.

Cloudchaser 07-09-2010 05:04 PM

I didn't think DCA could really handle cross country flights just due to runway size. Longest runway is under 7000 ft, might be weight restricted on those summer days. Think it got up to 102 the other day there.

But that is just IMO. I am a big dulles fan since I grew up by it.

meyers9163 07-10-2010 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by Cloudchaser (Post 839440)
I didn't think DCA could really handle cross country flights just due to runway size. Longest runway is under 7000 ft, might be weight restricted on those summer days. Think it got up to 102 the other day there.

But that is just IMO. I am a big dulles fan since I grew up by it.

Pleanty of B757's and A321s able to take off and land... Just look at LGA not much longer of a Runway and you see 757's all over the place.....

saab2000 07-10-2010 11:59 AM

There are a few exceptions to the perimeter rule and I believe Alaska Airlines flies some flights to SEA on the 737-800 or -900. It can be done.

meyers9163 07-10-2010 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by saab2000 (Post 839696)
There are a few exceptions to the perimeter rule and I believe Alaska Airlines flies some flights to SEA on the 737-800 or -900. It can be done.

That was grandfathered in after 9/11 to allow them to have that service.... Which is great... But why only allow them? I think the knee jerk reaction was great at the time. But now it is time to allow airlines to make use of such... Also lets stop Nancy and others from taking their private jets and be like many others of our politicians and just get on a commercial aircraft and go to and from work.... I take pleanty of senators and congressmen in and out all week long.... She wouldnt have an excuse if we could go DCA-SFO :)!


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