Comair costs "move to front"
 

Sad. Not much more to say than that.

"We value Comair too much to throw out ultimatums,"
looks like the value comair pilots more than mainline pilots

I wouldn't be too worried. We comair pilots still voted for the paycuts. I would imagine they will be imposed anyway. Besides the FAs claim its much more than the 7.9 mil the company says they got. I wouldn't call it dead yet. Luckily once the paycuts are in place we can look ahead to the future

"Luckily once the paycuts are in place we can look ahead to the future"

What the #$%! is this guy talking about? Didn't you guys fight tooth and nail to get what you deserved? What was that strike all about? So you can roll over and "look ahead to the future"

Do not think he was there for the strike.

In retrospect I believe it was more of a "sweetheart deal" than what was deserved or fair. The company was held hostage so long they had to give in or eventually liquidate. The paycuts take us down back to reality, unfortunate as it may be. The bottom line is we would all love to have sweetheart deals like the majors had but the glory days are over. I wouldn't call it rolling over id call it having a big set of kahunas standing up for what we believe in. We now look forward to a succesful tomorrow with a contract more in the middle. Life ain't easy when your in BK court. The sooner we realize the past is gone and gas is much more expensive the better off we will all be. Armed with this information we can all face a better tomorrow. Now the next step is getting American Eagle style contracts. 16 year contracts with provisions for arbitration every 4-5 years to keep up with inflation etc. 16 year contracts and arbitration are the only way to fly. That way there is a lot less union drama to contend with. In fact straight arbitration is even better. That way both sides will get a fair deal and no more having to strike only to be brought back to reality a few years later anyway. The full pay til the last day concept needs to go the way of the dinosaur as well. Saying you got full pay til the last day is like bragging about being at the flight controls as your crash. Either way you still crash and burn at the end.

I never thought I'd see the day when a Comair pilot says he wants a deal like AE. Just do me a favor...for the love of God...do not EVER agree to a no-strike clause like they did. And remember 16 years is a long time.

A no strike clause is fantastic for job security. A 16 year contract also means instead of going through union drama every 4 years wondering if you will be able to feed your family or not you get to do arbitration and get cost of living/industry standard raises. Its a win win situatin really. In fact I think comair or the next airline can "raise the bar" by agreeing to a 20-25 year contract with arbitration every 4-5 years. Its a win win situation really. You don't have to go through the drama and propoganda every 4-5 years. Its actually a no brainer. Why ALPA isn't trying to think of new ideas like this I dunno. To them ignorance is bliss I guess.

I guess it all depends on what is agreed to before the contract is signed. However, i would never agree to give up my right to a job action, putting my trust in the company to bargain in good faith.

You guys...can't you see d'angelo is just pulling your leg? There is no way anyone could be serious about what he just said!!!

I hope not, but I've never flown for an airline so I can't speak from experience...just what I've read and heard.

ROTFLMAO :rolleyes:

D'angelo,

I don't think you speak for the CMR pilots. I have the feeling you were not around for the strike, you are fairly new, and you're a yes voter.

I am concerned about the pilot group. This group needs to have the same backbone it did in 2001. Those of us who fought then, are ready to fight again.

We also hope that the RJ drivers elsewhere will fight for our profession. Sadly, many RJ drivers are willing to work for peanuts under the promise of an upgrade and the "possibility" of a move to the majors.

AL

Just so we are clear...this was my full statement:

However, i would never agree to give up my right to a job action, putting my trust in the company to bargain in good faith.

I am absolutely serious. Arbitration all the way. Obviously you are way too scared to try new things. Why are you so afraid of the future? The one constant thing in humanity is change. So lets see here a 20 year contract with COLA/industry standard wages every 4 years or union drama every 4 years with a contract after 3-4 years negotiations. Ummm yea you get a better deal with arbitration. The problem with pilots is they can't think outside the box. They are so trapped inside the ALPA box. Don't worry ALPA is just management like everyone else. Be not afraid to think outside the box.

I most certainly do speak for Comair pilots. Well the majority anyway. We the majority voted for paycuts. It doesn't matter what happened in the past that was 5 years ago. What matters now is its the present and its time to take paycuts then live it up. What is there to fight for? we all already make decent wages. Trust me make the lady get a job and you too can live it up.

Hmmm...now something about that is just too "oxymoronic" for me. Im not a Comair pilot or any airline pilot...yet. But I have talked to quite a few of them. I find it extremely hard to believe that this is the concensus of a pilot group that shut down the company and walked for 3 months to get a better contract.

I will give you this one, but give up your power to arbitration is nuts. I have been apart of 2 companies with unions, 1 avation and 1 non-aviation. I have mixed feelings when it comes to unions. I think they are a necessary evil. Remember, the union is a business also.

I completely agree. The sad part is that it is hard to fight one at a time. For5 years, we have been standing at the top waving our *****, or whatever, and now the knife is near. Someone else has got to take a stand as well. Sounds to me like the ASA guys and gals just might be doing that right now as well!!

hmmmm two words for you. Drama queen. 2nd year pay is still top notch at comair until all deals are finalized. Once we take the paycuts we will still be livin it up. The RJ can only make so much money you know.

Im wide awake. The fact is we not only survive we thrive at comair. Even with the paycuts. Please stop being so dramatic.