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EWRflyr 09-03-2010 05:12 AM

Coming to a beer can (end of 50 seat jets)
 
Airline Era Ends as Carriers Cull 50-Seat Jets `Nobody Wants'


Airline Era Ends as Carriers Cull 50-Seat Jets `Nobody Wants' - Bloomberg


“These are litters of aluminum kittens -- nobody wants them,” Boyd said. Their only value is for recycled metal, he said. “The next stop is the Budweiser factory because that’s all they’re good for.”
It was inevitable. Unfortunately, many good hard-working small-jet personnel will be the victims of all this. Having come from one myself, I wish everyone the best in the future.

Zapata 09-03-2010 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by EWRflyr (Post 865262)
Airline Era Ends as Carriers Cull 50-Seat Jets `Nobody Wants'


Airline Era Ends as Carriers Cull 50-Seat Jets `Nobody Wants' - Bloomberg



It was inevitable. Unfortunately, many good hard-working small-jet personnel will be the victims of all this. Having come from one myself, I wish everyone the best in the future.

I too feel for those that will be furloughed from this trend. However, in the long term big picture, this will be a good for all of us. The more seats, the harder it is for airlines to get unions to sell scope.

DashDriverYV 09-03-2010 07:35 AM

Some one should have told this to sky west management,
They now have 498 50 seaters in their name. Sounds like these birds are ready to have an updated enginge installed with FADEC

johnso29 09-03-2010 07:40 AM

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jtf560 09-03-2010 07:46 AM

It's only good for our careers if the majority aren't replaced by 70+ seaters at the regionals. There are more and more of those out there and I'm sure Delta will be adding whatever they can to that list and trying to negotiate for more. I just hope those negotiations and the CAL/UA negotiations put their foot on the brake and actually bring it in-house to the majors. Right now all I see is a bottom of the seniority list merry go round as the 50 seaters depart one airline and 70+ seaters go to another. Good luck guys and gals on the bottom.

Flyby1206 09-03-2010 07:55 AM

Be careful about cheerleading the "end of the 50 seater." Two 50 seat aircraft provide 4 pilot jobs while one 100 seater provides for 2 pilot jobs. I would fly a 50-seater for life if the pay/benefits kept pace with the economy.

DashDriverYV 09-03-2010 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 865360)
Be careful about cheerleading the "end of the 50 seater." Two 50 seat aircraft provide 4 pilot jobs while one 100 seater provides for 2 pilot jobs. I would fly a 50-seater for life if the pay/benefits kept pace with the economy.

Now if I were management and this whole pilot shortage thing were a game of chess, That is exactly what I would do

LeftWing 09-03-2010 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 865360)
Be careful about cheerleading the "end of the 50 seater." Two 50 seat aircraft provide 4 pilot jobs while one 100 seater provides for 2 pilot jobs. I would fly a 50-seater for life if the pay/benefits kept pace with the economy.

With all due sympathy for the initial job losses, I definitely cheer on the demise of the 50 seater. As another post said, it will be harder to get unions to give up scope for 70 seaters on up.

The problem in your scenario is that pay and bennies for 50 seat flying has never kept pace with the economy.

As for the 2 pilot jobs vs 4, this profession is better off with 2 decent jobs than 4 bottom feeder jobs.

This at least give hope to the idea of all jet flying going to mainline and leave the turboprop flying for the regionals.

FlameNSky 09-03-2010 06:30 PM

Could somebody point out even one prediction that Boyd has made that has come true to date?

Don't get me wrong, I would like the jobs to shift back to the mainline as much as anyone. Like it or not, the 50 seaters serve a market niche just as the 70, 90, 130, 200+ seaters do. While I do think we will see a reduction to the current glut of 50 seater aircraft, it seems unlikely we will see them disappear. They will always need a small aircraft to bring those 23 people from Fargo, ND to a hub.

mmaviator 09-03-2010 09:48 PM


Originally Posted by FlameNSky (Post 865649)
Could somebody point out even one prediction that Boyd has made that has come true to date?

Don't get me wrong, I would like the jobs to shift back to the mainline as much as anyone. Like it or not, the 50 seaters serve a market niche just as the 70, 90, 130, 200+ seaters do. While I do think we will see a reduction to the current glut of 50 seater aircraft, it seems unlikely we will see them disappear. They will always need a small aircraft to bring those 23 people from Fargo, ND to a hub.

I agree with everything you said but the 50 seat crj/erj will disappear. It's only a matter of time before oil reaches the price were the crj/erj won't make money. I think the turbo prop will come back or scope will allow more 76 seaters. Just my opinion and thought.


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