NPRM shafts commuters
 

Under the new NPRM rest rules 700am -1259 starts have the longest duty time per number of flight segments. Looking for efficiency I imagine the company will have most lines start at 700am the first day of a trip. So much for commuting in on the same day to work!!!:confused:

Actually, I believe "commuters" are the ones that was the impetus of the NPRM

You're right we should stick with the status quo because it protects us so well......:rolleyes: Reduced rest anyone?

Im just saying that the new NPRM doesnt address commuting, but I think this does it in an indirect way.

I don't know of many commuters these days that have ANY commutable trips anyways (someone please correct me if I'm wrong).

What? Why? How does that help? If a trip starts at 7 am, the latest it could run under the new rules would be 8pm.

I don't really see any radical changes for domestic part 121 operations. Just a massage of some of the most egregious conditions allowed.

about 75% of PSA CLT pairings are commutable on both ends.

7am starts thats crazy late if you work for an RAH carrier!

Hmmm...don't think I held a commutable trip on the front-end EVER. The suck would just continue under the NPRM ;)

Even under the current rules a trip that starts at 1:00 PM or later probably isn't going to have a duty period of more than 10-11 hours on day 1. So if a company is already building pairings that are front-end commutable under the existing rules, I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work under the new rules.

You think that is the shaft???? You must not have read the entire thing.

how do you define commuting? Obviously a 2 hour flight to base is but what about the hour drive to the airport? What about the people that drive 3-4 hours to a base since there are no direct flights to the base from their home? Also what about show times that occur during the WOCL (0200-0600)? They cant force everyone to live with in 10 minutes of their base. If they did that all the PHL based airways guys would be shot. You cant force people to live in base, if they did most people would tell the company (and the faa) to take this job and shove it

I'm in ORD for Shuttle, a mid-seniority FO, and I have gotten maybe 5 or 6 hotel rooms in the last year.

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the carrier could require that all flightcrew members spend the night prior to starting a series of FDPs within the local commuting area.
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so they re going to buy us hotel rooms now?? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

this $hit is never gonna fly

what s gonna happen is is some kind of annual memo that we all have to sign saying we should all be aware of the effects of fatigue and commuters must be rested iaw FAR91 bla bla bla...


problem solved, the FAA will be happy..

yet they're ok with flying us 10hrs / day.. how rested would they be at the end of a 10 hr flight with NO break (2 pilot crew) doing an approach in fog/snow/slippery rwy/ mountainous terrain/night....
don t they say most accidents happen during the approach and landing phase of flight..

remember there s no reading/napping/etc.. in the cockpit, you must seat still and look at that PFD for 10 hrs

useless *******ing agency...
and where is ALPA on this???

Been there, done that, still kickin'

It's not that big a deal.

I find any focus on commuting comical, to say the least. Why pick on only those who commute by air? Really? Some people in my base take a 1.5hr flight to base, some drive in 2-3 hours for each trip. I don't see why this makes any kind of a difference what mode of transportation is used to arrive in base to report for a trip. For that matter, I've been in-base and had rest interrupted due to the idiot neighbors setting off fireworks/etc, while my long-commuting captain is rested and functioning well.

FAA and industry need to drop this and focus on what they CAN control: what happens between report and release from duty. But never mind that, it's easier to pass additional burden off onto the crewmember in their personal life.

Just bid for trips that start after 1pm. That's what I use to do when I commuted. Never once did I have to fly in the day before. Even with the new rules the all airlines can't possibly build ALL their lines to start early. There will always be pm trips.

Another option
 

There are these really cool things called "hotels". You can pay for a room the evening before your flight and be fully rested for your trip. Amazing!
fbh

You obviously never flew for an airline that paid so little where you struggled to tip the Van driver or eat Top Ramen that day.

Didn't really think about your statement before you posted, huh?!? :rolleyes:



Exactly!

Wrong my friend, A few thousand hours in Jetstream31s. Ever heard of one of those?:rolleyes: By the third year of my commuter life (stuck as a co-pilot as the hiring dried up just after my class) I was making about $17,000/year, so don't give me any of your guff. I wish you well.

From the accompanying AC:

The FAA defines “local area” to mean any location no more than 2 hours transportation, regardless of the mode, to the physical location of the crewmember’s domicile or the location where the flight duty period starts. Travel from outside the local area is commuting. It must be understood that the 2-hour limit encompasses the entire length of the journey. In essence, the 2-hour limit starts from the time the crewmember leaves their home and terminates when they arrive at the physical location of their domicile or the location where their flight duty periods begins.

Also from the accompanying AC:

If the crewmember starts their commute into their domicile after 0559, and their flight duty period starts at any time within a 7-hour window, the crewmember will not be required to have rest prior to their assigned flight duty period. However, if the crewmember’s assigned flight duty period starts more than 7 hours after 0600, the crewmember must receive required rest in accordance with § 117.25 before their flight duty period. In the case of a flightcrew member commuting during the night through their window of circadian low, that crewmember must also receive a required rest period in accordance with § 117.25 before starting their assigned flight duty period.

For a second there I thought you were Cohen and were going to tell us you can get a $50 hotel room in the Newark airport area.

7am is a late start for Colgan. The company might start us later then we are now to get the utilization.