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Blueskies21 09-16-2010 06:57 AM

Can you even log SIC in a King Air 200? As I recall most 135 King Airs are single pilot unless the Autopilot is MEL'd. You have to be a required crewmember to log, and that's required by regulation not by company policy or insurance. So that time may not even be truly loggable.

That said, I would stick with the king air for the reason that the most flexible/ better jobs tend to be corporate aviation not airlines. Once you go to the airlines you get the "airline stink" and many corporations won't touch you with a ten foot pole. Many more options for you not in the airlines.

As for your CFI lapsing,you can get a reinstatement ride from an FAA inspector for free, you only have to pay Designated Examiners.

lear 31 pilot 09-16-2010 07:08 AM

Yes you can log SIC time in a King Air I do when I am not the assigned PIC because our ops specs require two pilots.

jelloy683 09-16-2010 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by detpilot (Post 870405)
First- shame on you for letting it expire... :D

Would paying for the checkride be less of a financial strain that regional pay rates? My guess would be yes.

As far as sitting around, you should be able to directly compete with those CFI's during your week off (again, is sitting around the airport on your week off to get flight time less of a strain than moving away from your family?). If you think outside the box, you should be able to gain some non-traditional clients (owners who'll need IPC's, flight reviews, instrument practice, etc), and if you offer a superior product with your real world expertise then your clients will be willing to work with you.

I work a 2 week on, 1 week off schedule, where I could be anywhere in the country for 2 weeks at a time, and I've maintained 2 private clients who own their own aircraft. I'm sure I could increase that if I worked harder on my week off.

Good luck... It won't be easy, but again, it may be the better option than moving away from your family.

Who do you work for? I have that same schedule at a 135 carrier, granted I may only fly 7 of those 14 days, but I'm still anywhere in the country/world during those 14. I'm questioning if an airline schedule would be a better lifestyle, despite the pay cut.

Walkeraviator 09-16-2010 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by Blueskies21 (Post 871325)
Can you even log SIC in a King Air 200? As I recall most 135 King Airs are single pilot unless the Autopilot is MEL'd. You have to be a required crewmember to log, and that's required by regulation not by company policy or insurance. So that time may not even be truly loggable.

That said, I would stick with the king air for the reason that the most flexible/ better jobs tend to be corporate aviation not airlines. Once you go to the airlines you get the "airline stink" and many corporations won't touch you with a ten foot pole. Many more options for you not in the airlines.

As for your CFI lapsing,you can get a reinstatement ride from an FAA inspector for free, you only have to pay Designated Examiners.

Actually yes it is loggable time. This has been of great debate amongst our pilots until we just asked teh FAA about it and they do claim that it is loggable time. BUt just as thee FAA and operators dont see eye to eye on regs, they sometime sdont see eye to eye on this.

Another case is logging PIC time. According to the FAA, the definition of PIC in Part 91 is "sole manipulator of the controls".. so if on a Part 91 leg (no patient on board)... and i am flying... that is PIC according to the FAA... however, 135 and 121 carriers disagree with that ruling saying that the entire flight is 135 til you return to base and the PIC who signed for the aircraft is teh only one who can log PIC...(cant have two PIC's)... but i dont buy the cant log to PIC theories because it is common practice to for a commercial student who is appropriately rated to log all flight training recieved as PIC at teh same tim eteh instructor does...

Walkeraviator 09-16-2010 09:22 AM

My week off is spent babysitting my daughter. We cant afford a day care, so my mother watches her on my Day shifts, and i watch her my days off... if i go flight instructing... i would have to guarantee i make enough to cover day care...

chongololo 09-16-2010 10:36 AM

Stay where you are and wait for a chance to move into the left seat of the King Air. QOL is better now than if you make the move to a regional, who cares about logging time right now, 250 hours a year is enough if the job is stable and you like it.
I fly part 135 air-ambulance and it's a great gig.

Walkeraviator 09-16-2010 10:53 AM

Making left seat is better said than done. Four captains and three FO's with seniority on me. All I can hope for is to get my ATP before they open a new base. We are the only two pilot crew in the whole compNy thanks to hospital contracts.


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