granlistillo

Anybody can quote anything on the internets and it is true- George Washington.

1900 Hundo

Slightly different note of the ignorance of TSA, I was commuting out of MSP terminal one, the TSA asked me why I was there and I hold her I was going home. She then asked if i could still fly for free and I said yes and that it one of the last professional courties we still have, but give it time and they will take it away from us. She then proceeded to tell me she hope they do take it away and its not fair that we can but the TSA cannot. She was very addimit about it. the day TSA can bump me out of the jump or seat in the back for their own FREE travel, i just may go postal!

pause

Another example of "entitlement" mentality

chuck416

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." The U.S. Constitution/Amendment #4

Being a DC-9 pilot, I'm a pretty much crayon & napkin explanation kind of guy. Can anybody help me out with this? How is the treatment that even our passengers endure daily NOT CLEARLY a violation of our basic constitutional rights? I sure as heck don't see it. As someone who has on three (3) occasions sworn "...to defend our constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic..." I'm just not gettin' it. I, for one, am giving this guy a "Well done". Whatever his motives.
Regards,
Chuck
MEM DC-9/CA

tylervet

Well he made my ATASmartBrief:
Pilot barred after refusing to submit to full body scan at Memphis International Airport The Commercial Appeal

johnpeace

That's because you're just a simpleton serf.

The US Surpreme Court justices are the only ones properly qualified to determine that being subjected to an unreasonable search when you aren't suspected of any criminal activity is perfectly constitutional.

Yes, that was sarcasm.

They deny you your constitutional rights on the grounds that by trying to enter the sterile area of the airport, you are giving your implied consent to the search, rendering it reasonable.

They've been pulling the same bull**** for years:
- DUI checkpoints
- Immigration checkpoints

They'll keep pressing until we show them we aren't going to take anymore...if that ever happens. We'll probably all be in prison by then.

USMCFLYR

chuck416 -

Well here is part of the problem (or solution depending on your particular point of view):
Define "unreasonable" in this context.
The *people* also expect their gov't to protect them from harm.

There is a fine line, and it is constantly shifting both in reality, and in people's mind depending on how it presently affects them personally.
One minute - people are cursing the TSA (I know I do) because of long lines at security, crazy ineffective security procedures (like taking my nail clippers with a fingernail file on them - but letting me keep a pencil for example), etc....; yet some of those same would be the first to complain if something else happened and blame the gov't for not doing anything (or at least enough) to protect them.

TOTAL FREEDOM is in direct conflict with TOTAL SECURITY.
It seems to be more on a sliding scale - inverse that is.

USMCFLYR

johnpeace

'Unreasonable' is when you're randomly searching people who are under no suspicion of having done anything wrong, have no evidence suggesting they are involved in any kind of crime and for no cause except that they're traveling on an airplane.

It's no different than randomly searching people walking down a sidewalk or randomly searching cars at a checkpoint on the highway.

Captain Tony

As said above it's implied consent, In other words, by entering an airport secure area you are voluntarily submitting to search (waiving your 4th ammendment rights). God Bless America.

paxhauler85

Are you really equating clearing security to a DUI checkpoint?

Not even close. Both attempt to protect the general public from people with bad intentions and/or poor judgment.