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nicholasblonde 10-21-2010 01:53 PM

Hey ASA
 
Hey ASA--do you guys have a profile descent of 260/270 knots on arrival??? Is this a company policy or what???

Memphis has been backed up like nothing else in recent months--I'm not going to point fingers or anything (I know you guys have rigs--and wish we had them at 9E). However, it's getting a little ridiculous slowing down to 250 for in-trail spacing 240 miles out, every single friggin' morning on the arrivals (especially SW gate)...and 90% of the time, it happens immediately after they query an Acey in front of us doing 260/270...

While I'm on here, thanks to the ASA crew that rolled all the way to the end of 36R, telling the tower "unable" when instructed to turn left on Papa AND Sierra 3, in what the tower and my crew considered an intentional attempt to make us go around...you gave me the opportunity to fill out a FSR for the first time in a few months...

FlyingNasaForm 10-21-2010 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by nicholasblonde (Post 888236)
However, it's getting a little ridiculous slowing down to 250 for in-trail spacing 240 miles out, every single friggin' morning on the arrivals (especially SW gate)

You should try CLT.

flyandive 10-21-2010 01:59 PM

Waah! Waah!

Would you like some cheese with that wine?

Spoilers 10-21-2010 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by nicholasblonde (Post 888236)
Hey ASA--do you guys have a profile descent of 260/270 knots on arrival??? Is this a company policy or what???

Memphis has been backed up like nothing else in recent months--I'm not going to point fingers or anything (I know you guys have rigs--and wish we had them at 9E). However, it's getting a little ridiculous slowing down to 250 for in-trail spacing 240 miles out, every single friggin' morning on the arrivals (especially SW gate)...and 90% of the time, it happens immediately after they query an Acey in front of us doing 260/270...

While I'm on here, thanks to the ASA crew that rolled all the way to the end of 36R, telling the tower "unable" when instructed to turn left on Papa AND Sierra 3, in what the tower and my crew considered an intentional attempt to make us go around...you gave me the opportunity to fill out a FSR for the first time in a few months...

Yah, posting it right here on APC will probably solve the problem!:rolleyes:

todd1200 10-21-2010 02:22 PM

We use "econ speeds" for climb (except when departing out of Bravo), cruise, and descent. We punch some numbers into the Acars and a recommended speed pops up based on the winds, fuel index, etc. Obviously any ATC instruction takes precedence over the econ speed.

The Juice 10-21-2010 02:24 PM

Yup, we are regional pilot....

captain beefy 10-21-2010 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by nicholasblonde (Post 888236)
Hey ASA--do you guys have a profile descent of 260/270 knots on arrival??? Is this a company policy or what???

Memphis has been backed up like nothing else in recent months--I'm not going to point fingers or anything (I know you guys have rigs--and wish we had them at 9E). However, it's getting a little ridiculous slowing down to 250 for in-trail spacing 240 miles out, every single friggin' morning on the arrivals (especially SW gate)...and 90% of the time, it happens immediately after they query an Acey in front of us doing 260/270...

While I'm on here, thanks to the ASA crew that rolled all the way to the end of 36R, telling the tower "unable" when instructed to turn left on Papa AND Sierra 3, in what the tower and my crew considered an intentional attempt to make us go around...you gave me the opportunity to fill out a FSR for the first time in a few months...


How's your contract negotiations going? Maybe you shouldn't have been going so fast.

SilverandSore 10-21-2010 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by nicholasblonde (Post 888236)
Hey ASA--do you guys have a profile descent of 260/270 knots on arrival??? Is this a company policy or what???

Memphis has been backed up like nothing else in recent months--I'm not going to point fingers or anything (I know you guys have rigs--and wish we had them at 9E). However, it's getting a little ridiculous slowing down to 250 for in-trail spacing 240 miles out, every single friggin' morning on the arrivals (especially SW gate)...and 90% of the time, it happens immediately after they query an Acey in front of us doing 260/270...

While I'm on here, thanks to the ASA crew that rolled all the way to the end of 36R, telling the tower "unable" when instructed to turn left on Papa AND Sierra 3, in what the tower and my crew considered an intentional attempt to make us go around...you gave me the opportunity to fill out a FSR for the first time in a few months...


Why do Pinnacle guys in the 900 always turn the tiller full left or right before the aircraft has started moving? Have you seen the skidmarks the nose gear leave on the pavement? It's comical, I see it all day long. Let me guess, it's a stretch and they need all the room they can get to move out of the tight confines of the ATL ramps...:rolleyes:

smackahoCEO 10-21-2010 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by nicholasblonde (Post 888236)
Hey ASA--do you guys have a profile descent of 260/270 knots on arrival??? Is this a company policy or what???

Memphis has been backed up like nothing else in recent months--I'm not going to point fingers or anything (I know you guys have rigs--and wish we had them at 9E). However, it's getting a little ridiculous slowing down to 250 for in-trail spacing 240 miles out, every single friggin' morning on the arrivals (especially SW gate)...and 90% of the time, it happens immediately after they query an Acey in front of us doing 260/270...

While I'm on here, thanks to the ASA crew that rolled all the way to the end of 36R, telling the tower "unable" when instructed to turn left on Papa AND Sierra 3, in what the tower and my crew considered an intentional attempt to make us go around...you gave me the opportunity to fill out a FSR for the first time in a few months...

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA hhhhh WAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

Just because you aren't paid by the minute doesn't mean the rest of us who are should get out of your way.

Confused 10-21-2010 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by nicholasblonde (Post 888236)
Hey ASA--do you guys have a profile descent of 260/270 knots on arrival??? Is this a company policy or what???

Memphis has been backed up like nothing else in recent months--I'm not going to point fingers or anything (I know you guys have rigs--and wish we had them at 9E). However, it's getting a little ridiculous slowing down to 250 for in-trail spacing 240 miles out, every single friggin' morning on the arrivals (especially SW gate)...and 90% of the time, it happens immediately after they query an Acey in front of us doing 260/270...

While I'm on here, thanks to the ASA crew that rolled all the way to the end of 36R, telling the tower "unable" when instructed to turn left on Papa AND Sierra 3, in what the tower and my crew considered an intentional attempt to make us go around...you gave me the opportunity to fill out a FSR for the first time in a few months...


First off the rig is based on schedule not actual, also, ATC can tell us to speed up if we are really ruining the MEM airspace as you say.

JRJ57 10-21-2010 04:07 PM

Just to add another point. In DTW don't block the mile wide alley. You can turn to the zipper road and tuck it in so everyone can get by. We respect you in ATL do us the same favor.

TurboDog 10-21-2010 04:11 PM

Waaaaaaaahhhhhh! But I don't wanna wear a dress!

AFOX1BRAVO 10-21-2010 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by nicholasblonde (Post 888236)
Hey ASA--do you guys have a profile descent of 260/270 knots on arrival??? Is this a company policy or what???

Memphis has been backed up like nothing else in recent months--I'm not going to point fingers or anything (I know you guys have rigs--and wish we had them at 9E). However, it's getting a little ridiculous slowing down to 250 for in-trail spacing 240 miles out, every single friggin' morning on the arrivals (especially SW gate)...and 90% of the time, it happens immediately after they query an Acey in front of us doing 260/270...

While I'm on here, thanks to the ASA crew that rolled all the way to the end of 36R, telling the tower "unable" when instructed to turn left on Papa AND Sierra 3, in what the tower and my crew considered an intentional attempt to make us go around...you gave me the opportunity to fill out a FSR for the first time in a few months...

Get over yourself. It's an hourly rate.

unit monster 10-21-2010 04:53 PM

First off - ATC will assign whatever speed will work for them on the arrival, I highly doubt they are catering to ASA crews.

As to the folks that rolled long, maybe the Captain was a d**k - or maybe they had a legitimate reason to roll to the end.

BTW - how do you know the tower "considered" this an intentional attempt to make you go around?

you sound butt-hurt about something else; trust me, 95% of ASA crews are not intentionally crampin' your style.

asa rat 10-21-2010 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by nicholasblonde (Post 888236)
Hey ASA--do you guys have a profile descent of 260/270 knots on arrival??? Is this a company policy or what???

Memphis has been backed up like nothing else in recent months--I'm not going to point fingers or anything (I know you guys have rigs--and wish we had them at 9E). However, it's getting a little ridiculous slowing down to 250 for in-trail spacing 240 miles out, every single friggin' morning on the arrivals (especially SW gate)...and 90% of the time, it happens immediately after they query an Acey in front of us doing 260/270...

While I'm on here, thanks to the ASA crew that rolled all the way to the end of 36R, telling the tower "unable" when instructed to turn left on Papa AND Sierra 3, in what the tower and my crew considered an intentional attempt to make us go around...you gave me the opportunity to fill out a FSR for the first time in a few months...


Some of us have two speeds, if you don't like the first one you da%m sure won't like the second one.

JustAnotherPLT 10-21-2010 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by nicholasblonde (Post 888236)
Hey ASA--do you guys have a profile descent of 260/270 knots on arrival??? Is this a company policy or what???

Memphis has been backed up like nothing else in recent months--I'm not going to point fingers or anything (I know you guys have rigs--and wish we had them at 9E). However, it's getting a little ridiculous slowing down to 250 for in-trail spacing 240 miles out, every single friggin' morning on the arrivals (especially SW gate)...and 90% of the time, it happens immediately after they query an Acey in front of us doing 260/270...

While I'm on here, thanks to the ASA crew that rolled all the way to the end of 36R, telling the tower "unable" when instructed to turn left on Papa AND Sierra 3, in what the tower and my crew considered an intentional attempt to make us go around...you gave me the opportunity to fill out a FSR for the first time in a few months...




Huh, what a tool, anyways, like I was saying...

Confused 10-21-2010 05:15 PM

Ok I have a complaint about Pinnacle if they are complaining about us.

Give us your MSP base, NOW. Commuting sucks.

Rama04 10-21-2010 05:17 PM

Dear ASA, Continue doing what you do and enjoy!
I dont recall any posts on here when Pinnacle joined the ATL circus and screwed up EVERYTHING on the ramp...

The Pinnacle Pilots will whine until they die but NEVER take action - dont take it to heart! They just want to make sure they can preserve their substandard work rules and pay :) LOLOLOL They will stop the whining soon!

StallFail 10-21-2010 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by nicholasblonde (Post 888236)
Hey ASA--do you guys have a profile descent of 260/270 knots on arrival??? Is this a company policy or what???

Memphis has been backed up like nothing else in recent months--I'm not going to point fingers or anything (I know you guys have rigs--and wish we had them at 9E). However, it's getting a little ridiculous slowing down to 250 for in-trail spacing 240 miles out, every single friggin' morning on the arrivals (especially SW gate)...and 90% of the time, it happens immediately after they query an Acey in front of us doing 260/270...

While I'm on here, thanks to the ASA crew that rolled all the way to the end of 36R, telling the tower "unable" when instructed to turn left on Papa AND Sierra 3, in what the tower and my crew considered an intentional attempt to make us go around...you gave me the opportunity to fill out a FSR for the first time in a few months...


Don't you get paid by the hour? Slower is better...

RamenNoodles 10-21-2010 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by nicholasblonde (Post 888236)
Hey ASA--do you guys have a profile descent of 260/270 knots on arrival??? Is this a company policy or what???

Yep. We fly Econ speeds per company policy derived from a cost index and numerous other variables, and they are usually in the 260/270 range for descent. An ATC assigned speed obviously overrides the Econ profile. I'd estimate we have about 35-45% participation in the cost index speeds.

sweptback 10-21-2010 07:24 PM

The cost index speeds are filed on our flight plan, and our fuel numbers take them into account. I'm not flying faster and wasting my fuel to appease a whiny Pinnacle pilot, sorry.

NextGen 10-21-2010 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by nicholasblonde (Post 888236)
hey asa--do you guys have a profile descent of 260/270 knots on arrival??? Is this a company policy or what???

Memphis has been backed up like nothing else in recent months--i'm not going to point fingers or anything (i know you guys have rigs--and wish we had them at 9e). However, it's getting a little ridiculous slowing down to 250 for in-trail spacing 240 miles out, every single friggin' morning on the arrivals (especially sw gate)...and 90% of the time, it happens immediately after they query an acey in front of us doing 260/270...

While i'm on here, thanks to the asa crew that rolled all the way to the end of 36r, telling the tower "unable" when instructed to turn left on papa and sierra 3, in what the tower and my crew considered an intentional attempt to make us go around...you gave me the opportunity to fill out a fsr for the first time in a few months...

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dojetdriver 10-21-2010 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by nicholasblonde (Post 888236)
you gave me the opportunity to fill out a FSR for the first time in a few months...

I don't know what an "FSR" is, nor do I care. Sorry for the ignorance, but the three FOM's I've worked under had "no fault" go around policies. You gotta go around, go around. You don't have to explain/justify your actions.

But ANYTIME you gotta fill out paperwork for a go around, much less for something like an aircraft still on the runway, you should be questioning your company's practices. Not the guy that was on the runway.

ASAnotASAP 10-21-2010 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by nextgen (Post 888432)
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Captbimmer 10-21-2010 08:03 PM

Another spineless pilot talking smack on a forum. I find it hilarious that he never had the common decency to respond nor apologize. Who starts a thread with a paragraph full of nonsensical logic and doesn't have a rebuttal? Please Mr. Hotshot, I fly for ASA and not only am I laughing at your idiocy...but the fact that ill be doing 147 in my descents for now on and rolling to the end of "your" runway, stop, compose myself, lock the tiller, apply maximum thrust and laugh as you have to go around. God I love my job.

BassFishr 10-21-2010 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by nicholasblonde (Post 888236)
Hey ASA--do you guys have a profile descent of 260/270 knots on arrival??? Is this a company policy or what???

Memphis has been backed up like nothing else in recent months--I'm not going to point fingers or anything (I know you guys have rigs--and wish we had them at 9E). However, it's getting a little ridiculous slowing down to 250 for in-trail spacing 240 miles out, every single friggin' morning on the arrivals (especially SW gate)...and 90% of the time, it happens immediately after they query an Acey in front of us doing 260/270...

While I'm on here, thanks to the ASA crew that rolled all the way to the end of 36R, telling the tower "unable" when instructed to turn left on Papa AND Sierra 3, in what the tower and my crew considered an intentional attempt to make us go around...you gave me the opportunity to fill out a FSR for the first time in a few months...

Is this guy for real? HAHA what a tool.

Diver Driver 10-21-2010 08:34 PM

Looks like the original questions have been answered. I don't see anything else productive coming from this thread. Closed.


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