NTSB urges investigation into regional roles
10-27-2010, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by aewanabe
Your view of the regionals is seriously outdated. There are still a few guys doing that for Lakes, Colgan, and Mesaba for a while longer. The majority of "regional" guys are flying jet equipment, some with autothrottles, from ILS to ILS. I never once did 8 landings as a "regional" guy (although I did as a check-hauler, which is another dying craft).
10-28-2010, 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ColdWhiskey
I will re-post. Shame on the regionals for hiring 250 hr wonders from ____ or ____. And shame on United for hiring them in the late 80's and early 90's.
I support the 1500 hr requirement plus an ATP without any exceptions.
I support the 1500 hr requirement plus an ATP without any exceptions.
Its called supply and demand... your example was BS. But I agreee with the 1500hr rule.
10-28-2010, 03:21 PM
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The good 'ol days
Originally Posted by PCLCREW
Go ahead and add Eastern, Northwest, Northeastern, Flying Tigers... just to think of a few more. The late 70s through the early 90s had the same hiring practices as the regionals did 2006-2007. Oh and it wasnt just females...
Its called supply and demand... your example was BS. But I agreee with the 1500hr rule.
Its called supply and demand... your example was BS. But I agreee with the 1500hr rule.
He also went on a tangent about American made, and how the "320" meant the 707-320...
10-28-2010, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by seafeye
United hired a bunch of pilots at one time that didn't even have a commercial ticket. And ask some ladies what time they had when they first started. Some as low as 200hrs.
When you hear stories of low time pilots being hired back in the heyday you must realize they were being hired as flight engineers. They often ran the panel in DC-8's, 707's and 727's for years, gaining untold experience from the crusty fo's and captains long before they ever flew the aircraft themselves.
1500 hours and an ATP should be the minimum requirement. Either that or two years sitting sideways flying international in a DC-8 back in the 60's
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10-28-2010, 07:11 PM
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Going to the panel as a FE is not a walk in the park. They may have had 300 hrs but at some point they moved up to the right seat and still had 300 hrs.
Remember boys and girls what got us here: this issue wasn't started by the low timers going to the regionals. Let's not forget who took the pay raise and qol improvements in exchange for relaxing the scope. My favorite are the dixie boys who can't say hi, or when I stop by the flight deck to say thanks for the ride can't even acknowledge me doing so. It's no wonder they came in 1st for worst airline...and yet they blame the regionals for these problems-they are a real class act.
I do agree with increasing to ATP mins, because at some point they will have to pay in order to retain and attract pilots-if they want to stay in business.
Remember boys and girls what got us here: this issue wasn't started by the low timers going to the regionals. Let's not forget who took the pay raise and qol improvements in exchange for relaxing the scope. My favorite are the dixie boys who can't say hi, or when I stop by the flight deck to say thanks for the ride can't even acknowledge me doing so. It's no wonder they came in 1st for worst airline...and yet they blame the regionals for these problems-they are a real class act.
I do agree with increasing to ATP mins, because at some point they will have to pay in order to retain and attract pilots-if they want to stay in business.
10-29-2010, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by winglet
seafeye,
When you hear stories of low time pilots being hired back in the heyday you must realize they were being hired as flight engineers. They often ran the panel in DC-8's, 707's and 727's for years, gaining untold experience from the crusty fo's and captains long before they ever flew the aircraft themselves.
1500 hours and an ATP should be the minimum requirement. Either that or two years sitting sideways flying international in a DC-8 back in the 60's.
winglet
When you hear stories of low time pilots being hired back in the heyday you must realize they were being hired as flight engineers. They often ran the panel in DC-8's, 707's and 727's for years, gaining untold experience from the crusty fo's and captains long before they ever flew the aircraft themselves.
1500 hours and an ATP should be the minimum requirement. Either that or two years sitting sideways flying international in a DC-8 back in the 60's
.winglet
I jumpseated on a United flight in '91 or '92, I think a 767 or maybe a 757 cannot remember which for sure. There were two of us jumpseating, but I remember the FO (young female) left the flight deck for some reason and the crusty old Captain said to my fellow jumpseater, another crusty old Captain, "guess how much time she has?" We shrugged, and he said "300 hours". The other jumpseater said "and she flies this airplane?" and the Captain responded, emphatically, "H*** no. I fly and she talks on the radio".
10-29-2010, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by aewanabe
Your view of the regionals is seriously outdated. There are still a few guys doing that for Lakes, Colgan, and Mesaba for a while longer. The majority of "regional" guys are flying jet equipment, some with autothrottles, from ILS to ILS. I never once did 8 landings as a "regional" guy (although I did as a check-hauler, which is another dying craft).
10-29-2010, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Cautious
I don't think 1500hrs or a license has anything to do with it. If you are unable to recover from a stall, or know what to do when the stick shaker activates, tired or not, in the goo or CAVU, the company you are flying for is going to have several lawsuits on their hands.
I support 1500 hours with an ATP (no exceptions).
10-29-2010, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Cautious
I don't think 1500hrs or a license has anything to do with it. If you are unable to recover from a stall, or know what to do when the stick shaker activates, tired or not, in the goo or CAVU, the company you are flying for is going to have several lawsuits on their hands.
The problem with regional airline safety is a multi layered one. Pilot experience is part of the problem, but not all.
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