Search
Notices
Regional Regional Airlines

What now for Skywest

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 10-29-2010, 05:09 AM
  #11  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Free Flyer's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: B777 FO/IRO
Posts: 264
Default

How long is Skywest's contract with United? I know that ALPA is pushing for a sunset clause that says they can continue to fly their RJ's outside of CAL's scope protection until Skywest's contract expires.

The downside of this is that yes, we at mainline will lose some flying while these 70 seat RJ's are out flying around. Also, this only delays you RJ drivers from a decent paycheck while you wait to get hired to fly something bigger. Trust me, I've been there before and it's no fun waiting for that bigger airplane to fly.
Free Flyer is offline  
Old 10-29-2010, 05:19 AM
  #12  
Line Holder
 
Joined APC: Nov 2008
Position: Furloughed -8
Posts: 71
Default

Originally Posted by dosbo View Post
YHGTBFSM

ALPA has allowed almost 50% of all domestic flying to be given to regional airlines while drastically shrinking the number of active mainline pilots.

Untill domestic flying comes back to mainline then I can only assume that ALPA is in fact representing the the interests of regional pilots at the expense of real careers at the major airlines.
If ALPA would stick up for regional airline pay and treatment then 50% of the flying wouldn't be going to the regionals. Airlines are saving big bucks with regional labor costs.

Sky West guys/gals,,, ALPA did nothing for me at MESA and I am currently taking a non pilot aviation job just to get by. I wouldn't recommend ALPA.
Airborne1 is offline  
Old 10-29-2010, 06:50 AM
  #13  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Skeptical
Posts: 378
Default

Originally Posted by dosbo View Post
ALPA has allowed almost 50% of all domestic flying to be given to regional airlines while drastically shrinking the number of active mainline pilots.

Untill domestic flying comes back to mainline then I can only assume that ALPA is in fact representing the the interests of regional pilots at the expense of real careers at the major airlines.
This outcome has severely negatively affected the career prospects of regional airline pilots as well, probably many times more so since it will run its course over the remaining several decades of active service (and into retirement).

As far as I can tell, the interests of NO airline pilots were being served by allowing this to go down. Not an impressive performance to many looking at the organization from the outside in.

Golden Bear is offline  
Old 10-29-2010, 07:05 AM
  #14  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Captain Tony's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,951
Default

Originally Posted by Free Flyer View Post
Also, this only delays you RJ drivers from a decent paycheck while you wait to get hired to fly something bigger. Trust me, I've been there before and it's no fun waiting for that bigger airplane to fly.
Why do you assume we want to "move up" to first year pay and loss of all seniority so that WE can get fuloughed in 2 years when oil returns to $150 a barrel and Jeff states that the "plan" only accounted for $80 a barrel?

No thanks. How about this: you direct our union to fight for your interests, and I'll direct our union to fight for my interests. May he with the best lawyers win!
Captain Tony is offline  
Old 10-29-2010, 11:09 PM
  #15  
Gets Weekends Off
 
avi8tor4life's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: Left Seat
Posts: 378
Default

Here we go again......
avi8tor4life is offline  
Old 10-29-2010, 11:16 PM
  #16  
Gets Weekends Off
 
dumpcheck's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 126
Default

Yeah really...

Working for less $$ helps no one (major or regional). Would sure be nice to get the entire industry turned around, and get all pilots on board w refusing to accept further sacrifices...
dumpcheck is offline  
Old 10-30-2010, 01:43 AM
  #17  
New Hire
 
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: CRJ Check Airman
Posts: 8
Smile

Originally Posted by dosbo View Post
YHGTBFSM

"ALPA has allowed" almost 50% of all domestic flying to be given to regional airlines while drastically shrinking the number of active mainline pilots.

Untill domestic flying comes back to mainline then I can only assume that ALPA is in fact representing the the interests of regional pilots at the expense of real careers at the major airlines.
Allowed?? Like they have control over giving us table scraps? PLEEEASE!! They have NO place and NO say and thus DON'T have the abilty to ALLOW or DISALLOW anything.

That's why the sabre rattling rhetoric, ALPA focus towards Regionals looks like impotent has beens.
CRJLCA is offline  
Old 10-30-2010, 01:51 AM
  #18  
New Hire
 
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: CRJ Check Airman
Posts: 8
Talking

Originally Posted by dosbo View Post
YHGTBFSM

ALPA has allowed almost 50% of all domestic flying to be given to regional airlines while drastically shrinking the number of active mainline pilots.

Untill domestic flying comes back to mainline then I can only assume that ALPA is in fact representing the the interests of regional pilots at the expense of real careers at the major airlines.
That's not going to happen. The market and industry cannot support it. Be glad we are helping the majors with codeshare by supplimenting their former markets.
CRJLCA is offline  
Old 10-30-2010, 03:39 AM
  #19  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Free Flyer's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: B777 FO/IRO
Posts: 264
Default

Read next post.
Free Flyer is offline  
Old 10-30-2010, 03:40 AM
  #20  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Free Flyer's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: B777 FO/IRO
Posts: 264
Default

Originally Posted by Captain Tony View Post
Why do you assume we want to "move up" to first year pay and loss of all seniority so that WE can get fuloughed in 2 years when oil returns to $150 a barrel and Jeff states that the "plan" only accounted for $80 a barrel?

No thanks. How about this: you direct our union to fight for your interests, and I'll direct our union to fight for my interests. May he with the best lawyers win!
It's all about timing. I've never been furloughed and the timing just worked out for me. It took me 5 1/2 years to leave a regional to get to a major, and I've never looked back. People questioned me as to why I would leave. I was in the top 10% of the regional, check airman, living in base, and home every night. Problem was that the pay wasn't spectacular, I only got at most 16 days off a month, and I wanted more opportunities than flying 6 legs a day.

Now fast forward, I'm at CAL. I only had 2 weeks on reserve as a new hire, never been furloughed, average 18-19 days off a month, and after 3rd year pay at CAL I made more than I would have after 12 years at the regional.

If you are comfortable working at the regional and enjoy the lifestyle, then stay there, I'm just saying that there are opportunities out there for better stuff so when the timing is right, make your move.

Just don't get upset at others like myself who took a calculated chance and things worked out. I can't stand people who whine about their current position/life but they make no effort to improve their lives. I don't know you, maybe you did try and it didn't work out. I don't know, not my deal. I just don't understand why people want to stay at a regional. It makes absolutely no sense to me, but to each his own.
Free Flyer is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices