9E/XJ Pass Travel Changes
 

I didn't see this posted anywhere but the new pass policy for 9E and XJ will be effective sometime in January 2011. A few positives but not so sure the transoceanic travel days going to 6 and losing seniority for travel purposes anything over 6 is a move in the right direction...it's going backwards. Goes to S4, date of travel. Basically, behind "all" buddy pass riders and still paying the flight day 'penalty'. So they are gaining 3 more free travel days with the exchange of going to S4 for transoceanic travel over 6. Everything else appears to be an improvement.

That is horrendous.

Maybe it explains why I saw a Pinnacle CRJ taxi by all green and slimy covered in type 4 today when there was essentially zero precipitation.

Bean counters . . . take note. :(

Wasn't it only 3 international days before? So now you essentially get 2 more trips.

Anything over 3 trans days, all seniority and S3C boarding status was kept, just paid the fees involved; now yes, you get 2 more trips but your 4th trip and beyond, 'all' seniority is lost and date of travel is used for seniority at S4 status. Personally, if given the choice in this situation, I'd pay the fees and keep my seniority and S3C status for travel.

Too many buddy pass riders overseas to fall behind and trying to get back home in time for work will be even more impossible.

2 more trips? It's going from 3 to 6? That'd be 1 more trip.

I rode jumpseat on XJ yesterday and FO mentioned that.. It's horrible.. (Thanks for the ride guys)

It's horrible. Pass privelages were much better when XJ was owned by DL.

lol! Pass privileges at 9E were much better prior to the DL-NW merger...

Lest we forget that 9E still has a jumpseat agreement with Delta Airlines that contains no restriction on international jumpseating (cabin of course), other than paying taxes. This is regularly violated by Delta (management) policies making us pay for international travel days.

I wonder what would happen if you did not pay the $50 for non-rev/Travelnet, and went to the gate to list as a cabin jumpseater for a flight to London...hmmmm....technically we are supposed to be able to UNLIMITED, as long as the CA is ok with it....

And don't even get me started on the fact that our contract explicitly says we get buddy passes...company response "WE aren't denying you buddy passes, DELTA is...DELTA owns the seats, so we can't really give you buddy passes." Almost as bad as the Wall Street p.o.s.'s testifying to Congress on how they created the subprime mess and profited hugely from it....

And XJ--we had the same prior to the merger...16 buddy passes per year, if you're single you get a travel companion (my sis was mine) who also got 16 passes per year, no restrictions on international days (as much as you want).

Only diff was on NWA you had to pay a small surcharge for 1st--but almost ALL FAs and pilots were like "move to first as soon as the gate agent closes the door so you don't get charged."

Oh how I miss NWA...miss the logo, miss the people, miss the operation...

I remember thinking how our travel benefits sucked during the NW days, now under Delta, I just tell my family and friends that I have no flight benefits.

Does Pinnacle have the option of refusing the 3 extra free flight days and just keep what is currently on the table? This is no "enhancement" whatsoever!
Flying as an S4, and looking at a particular int'l route that is heavy with buddy pass riders, most of the S4's got a seat - in business - and several S4's were left behind. With only one flight a day out of this particular city, and the next day's listing shows many S4's, the list just keeps growing each time they are rolled-over. Being a S3C sure makes a BIG difference trying to get back home in time for work. :confused:
Which is more important, an employee trying to get back home to continue the passengers to their connecting flights or a buddy pass rider coming home from vacation? Will someone please get this process fixed?! I guess as long as certain tiered employees have their positive space seats and buddy passes, everything is fine.

And after looking at the comparison sheet of what Mesaba had and what they are now getting...YIKES!

The way it was explained to me (by company publication) was if you went on a flight like DTW-FRA, that spans two days, you will use 2 trans oceanic days. So if you went LAX-SYD, you would use 3 days thanks to crossing the international date line. Granted the return which departs and arrives the same day only uses 1 day.

Just go by a ZED on a foreign carrier, It'll probably cost less and you will probably get better service.

Yep, that's the plan with whoever is left; however, a lot of agreements were lost with the ID-type of agreements (ID75,90,95).

Does it cost DL more to allow unlimited transoceanics with DCI employees or what's the driving force behind it? Northwest never had a problem with it.
I know of mainline Ready Reserves who rarely work and they have unlimited int'l and they're gone on a trip almost more than they work. On the other hand, I know many DCI employees (non-pilot group) who work 40+ hrs/week, work both the ramp AND the ticket counter all for less than $8.00/hr. When they do find time to take a trip, these are the ones who will travel as a S4 (without seniority), hoping to make it back in time for their scheduled shift. Just had to vent..it's getting worse everytime a new "enhancement" is announced. Who is negotiating this anyways?

No, for transoceanic travel day computation, as long as the flight left on day 1, crosses midnight and lands in Europe on day 2, that still only counts as one travel day deduction.