ASA/XJT JCBA: No Dual Qual!
11-18-2010, 03:35 AM
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ASA/XJT JCBA: No Dual Qual!
Good morning ASA/XJTers,
A friendly reminder to please complete the JCBA survey on the ALPA website. Let the MEC's know what you want from our contract!
I've been hearing that our MEC is willing to negotiate dual qual, so let's remind our MEC that we are not interested in dual qual for the CRJ fleet! Dual qual reduces the staffing requirements of the airline and overall reduces compensation for the pilot group. No blended rates!
My JCBA wishlist:
-Enhanced Scope
-XJT sick policy
-Tightening up the contract language
-Pay bumps, especially considering XJT is on a concessionary contract
-No dual qual
Feel free to add to the list, and spread the word to complete the survey!
A friendly reminder to please complete the JCBA survey on the ALPA website. Let the MEC's know what you want from our contract!
I've been hearing that our MEC is willing to negotiate dual qual, so let's remind our MEC that we are not interested in dual qual for the CRJ fleet! Dual qual reduces the staffing requirements of the airline and overall reduces compensation for the pilot group. No blended rates!
My JCBA wishlist:
-Enhanced Scope
-XJT sick policy
-Tightening up the contract language
-Pay bumps, especially considering XJT is on a concessionary contract
-No dual qual
Feel free to add to the list, and spread the word to complete the survey!
11-18-2010, 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by RamenNoodles
Good morning ASA/XJTers,
A friendly reminder to please complete the JCBA survey on the ALPA website. Let the MEC's know what you want from our contract!
I've been hearing that our MEC is willing to negotiate dual qual, so let's remind our MEC that we are not interested in dual qual for the CRJ fleet! Dual qual reduces the staffing requirements of the airline and overall reduces compensation for the pilot group. No blended rates!
My JCBA wishlist:
-Enhanced Scope
-XJT sick policy
-Tightening up the contract language
-Pay bumps, especially considering XJT is on a concessionary contract
-No dual qual
Feel free to add to the list, and spread the word to complete the survey!
A friendly reminder to please complete the JCBA survey on the ALPA website. Let the MEC's know what you want from our contract!
I've been hearing that our MEC is willing to negotiate dual qual, so let's remind our MEC that we are not interested in dual qual for the CRJ fleet! Dual qual reduces the staffing requirements of the airline and overall reduces compensation for the pilot group. No blended rates!
My JCBA wishlist:
-Enhanced Scope
-XJT sick policy
-Tightening up the contract language
-Pay bumps, especially considering XJT is on a concessionary contract
-No dual qual
Feel free to add to the list, and spread the word to complete the survey!
Otherwise, we definitely need to enhance scope, I'd love XJT's sick policy and the contract had better not include 'to the best of the company's ability' or any semblance there-of!
11-18-2010, 05:09 AM
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What is Xjet's sick policy? The last Xjet js'er we had said they needed a dr's note everytime they called in sick. I do not like ASA's draconian occurence policy. To add to the list:
- the ability to drop trips without going through a chief pilot.
- the ability to drop trips without going through a chief pilot.
11-18-2010, 05:20 AM
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We need to have dual qual. Separate lists are very inefficient. No other airline in the industry has separate lists for the 200/700/900. Even Jazz in Canada has their pilots fly all three. The pilot group has to be reasonable here. As long as the pilot group is reasonably compensated by management
11-18-2010, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by SayAgain
What is Xjet's sick policy? The last Xjet js'er we had said they needed a dr's note everytime they called in sick. I do not like ASA's draconian occurence policy. To add to the list:
- the ability to drop trips without going through a chief pilot.
- the ability to drop trips without going through a chief pilot.
Your sick bank accrues 5 hrs. a month....which MUST be preserved in the JCBA.
11-18-2010, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
No other airline in the industry has separate lists for the 200/700/900.
Originally Posted by boosh
Take a look at the Jazz payrates, dual qual doesn't seem to be a problem with getting a reasonable wage.
1st year - US $39
2nd year - US $44
3rd year - US $51
It would be nice to see that kind of pay or get close to that kind of pay. Some of the others things I'd like to see down here in the US that Jazz was able to do...
Minimum days off: Lineholders: 14; Reserve: 12
Overtime: 150% pay over 85 hours/mo
I think it'll remain a dream unfortunately...
11-18-2010, 06:10 AM
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Having specific qualifications is leverage on part of the pilot group and the company would really benefit if we gave it up. It's plain and simple. The company can potentially generate more revenue using a CR9 with first class than using a CR2. If they want to level the crew costs, the pilot group MUST see a substantial benefit as a whole. That is totally reasonable. Remember, "give them an inch and the will take ten feet". We need to unify and bargain for items that benefit the pilot group as a whole.
In my eyes, reserve pilot and first officer language needs to be spruced up. Any pilot hired from now on is going to spend a great deal of time on reserve and even longer as a first officer. Upgrade time will most likely become quite lengthy given the size of the pilot group.
In my eyes, reserve pilot and first officer language needs to be spruced up. Any pilot hired from now on is going to spend a great deal of time on reserve and even longer as a first officer. Upgrade time will most likely become quite lengthy given the size of the pilot group.
11-18-2010, 06:14 AM
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You guys will want Dual Qual. It greatly enhances YOUR schedule flexibility and QOL. Of course you should have appropriate rates for each aircraft, with a blended rate used ONLY for vacation, training, etc. It also makes your company more efficient, just in case anyone plans on sticking around for the long-term.
It's not a safety problem IMO. Airbus and B75/76 drivers have been doing this for longer than we have...
But watch out for super-senior types...they will want no DQ so they can lock in the best rate for themselves, and apply it to all non-flight pay as well. Leaving junior folks to suck it up on a disproportionally lower rate on the 200 of course.
It's not a safety problem IMO. Airbus and B75/76 drivers have been doing this for longer than we have...
But watch out for super-senior types...they will want no DQ so they can lock in the best rate for themselves, and apply it to all non-flight pay as well. Leaving junior folks to suck it up on a disproportionally lower rate on the 200 of course.
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