PCLCREW

Their lawsuit has no grounds... TA1 failed and the straight W2 method was the plan for TA1. Now that we are on TA2 or JCBA whichever happens the new method was voted in. Once TA1 was gone so went straight W2.

My guess is they already started spending the money (putting in pools, upgrading houses etc etc) and now they are sh***** themselves because they will get less then expected. Wifes are prbly screaming about where is this 40K check I was gonna see.

In the end they will lose more money on their ambulance chasing lawyer, because ALPA has better ones. Smart move boys.

80ktsClamp

Couldn't have happened to a classier group of guys. Gonna be hilarious watching them blow their money.

MunkyButtr

I never quite understood the W2 method anyways. To me it seemed like the easy way out. What sense does it make to base it off of the W2 to begin with? I know of a few senior captains who fly highspeeds (stand-ups) because it gives them a better quality of life. These senior guys flying highspeeds possibly have a much smaller W2 then a captain junior to them flying a 90 hour line. So even though they've been around longer they've made less money and in turn will get a smaller bonus. Essentially they are being punished for voluntarilly flying highspeeds. Whats wrong with pro-rating the bonus to pay out for months on the senority list since the ammendable date? Is that not fair? What have those ultra senior captains really lost over the last 5 years? How about the 4 year FO's on food stamps stuggling to keep the lights on? Months of service since the amendable date seems like the most reasonable distribution, to me at least. Anyone disagree?

CanyonBlue

I liked how the MEC never talked much about the method, but somehow it slipped out. They never did resolve anything during the voting period.

Captain Tony

No wonder you guys are heading into your 6th year of negotiations.

U-N-I-T-Y! Get your act together and police your ranks!

Kellwolf

Which is why I like the new method. Time since ammendable work out better for you? Great, that's what you get. W2 method work out better? You get that instead. I think the NMFC guys are upset about the reduction EVERYONE takes (not just them, but I guess they feel they're special) because doing it this way takes it over the $10 million the company had set aside. Well, if the company kicks in more, the number goes up. If people quit between now and then (which IS still happening) it goes up.

I honestly don't see how this is gonna hold a candle in court. How were they wronged? They were never legally entitled to the money since the TA failed, and they aren't being treated any differently than the other pilots in the bonus distribution as it stands now. I have to hand it to the lawyers that take the case, 'cause you know they're not the "I only get paid if you win" kind......

Pinchanickled

They already blew their money on new cars, and one put in an inground swimming pool from what I heard.




OOOOOOOOOOOPPPPSSS!!!! HAHAHAHA

Captain Tony

And then found out the boss enrolled them in the jelly of the month club.

Clark, that's the gift that just keeps on giving the whole year.

mooney

Cliff notes version...
W2 method was used to make up for the lack of the 2% yearly raise in May we have not been getting for the past 5 years. so a 20 year CA whose paycheck is larger has lost more than a 10 year CA who has lost more than a 2 year FO (2% of $90/hr vs 2% of $70/hr vs 2% of $23/hr). It makes sense if you understand why they voted it this way with the 2% loss. I'm one of those who generally does highspeeds and I have no problem with some other CA who may not have been here quite as long getting more than me if he happened to fly his tail off vs my 75 hours a month, if I look at it that way.

However I've always been a proponent of a set amount of $ per month of longevity since may 05. I think the union guys did even better with the combo longevity/W2 in terms of fairness.

Flitestar

Can somebody PM who are rumored to be the Fantastic Seven tangled in the lawsuit? Thanks...