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Airborn200 01-29-2011 12:05 PM

what to expect at shuttle training?
 
Are the facilities nice.....instructors laid back.....systems laid out in a way thats easy to kearn....etc

hockeypilot44 01-29-2011 12:07 PM

I don't know about training, but expect low pay and low morale once you hit the line.

Boomer 01-29-2011 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 938343)
I don't know about training, but expect low pay and low morale once you hit the line.

That was awesome!

Da Magic 01-29-2011 01:41 PM

Thought this thread was about NASA....

Spoilers 01-29-2011 01:53 PM

So, you actually quit at ASA to go to Republic!? Bwahahaha

lolwut 01-29-2011 02:01 PM

Expect training on orbital reentry, zero gravity, basic rocket dynamics, and how to pee into a tube.

WeaselBoy 01-29-2011 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by Airborn200 (Post 938339)
Are the facilities nice.....instructors laid back.....systems laid out in a way thats easy to kearn....etc

INDOC will be in Indy. It's pretty easy. Most of the info will spoon fed to you.

Systems and sims are in STL and taught by FSI. Luckily, we just flushed a ton of memorization items from the POH so you can spend more time studying systems and flows. Orals and checkrides are done by S5 checkairmen.

There are plenty of study guides floating around. I'm sure you won't have a problem getting one once you're officially in the evil empire.

mwf008 01-29-2011 03:03 PM

I drank beer literally every day in St Louis and passed without a problem. Easiest training ever...

frmrdashtrash 01-29-2011 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by mwf008 (Post 938413)
I drank beer literally every day in St Louis and passed without a problem. Easiest training ever...

Is DM, ex-Piedmont guy still there?

Emb170man 01-29-2011 04:13 PM

Training isn't too bad. As mentioned, we just cut the limitations that have to be verbatum from memory in about half. The memory items are very small in number and length. Training is done well, the biggest issue you will have will not be with the FSI folks, but with the company in terms of getting travel arranged and such.

Best of luck, see you on line.

UND_Sioux 01-29-2011 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by frmrdashtrash (Post 938439)
Is DM, ex-Piedmont guy still there?

Yes, or at least he was as of last May.

frmrdashtrash 01-29-2011 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by UND_Sioux (Post 938502)
Yes, or at least he was as of last May.

Good man to go have a beer with.

Rightseat Ballast 01-30-2011 03:40 AM

In general, the systems part of E170 training is very easy. If you have flown another regional aircraft (CRJ or whatever), then systems will be almost mind-numbingly easy. Of course you need to study, but I think you will find class ten times more boring than it is difficult. Indoc is Indoc, and the hardest part will be trying to not just rely on what you already know from your current job. Rest, Duty, 3585...so much of it is the same you might snooze and miss the differences. Sim training is not bad, and is like any other sim. Know your flows, and don't rush. Good luck, and once you are done training, we look forward to having one more guy with outside union experience to help us fight the fight.

BUDDHA 01-30-2011 03:53 AM

COFFEE TONS OF COFFEE!!! you guys chill don't study 24/7, try to go home at least twice... it help relax tons when I did it. try to go out on the weekend and have a good time with some peeps from class ("NOT to be confuse with going to the casino get some blow and bring three prostituds to your room!!!)... good luck and c-u in the line!!

your dream is about to start.....HA just kid.

nordo 01-30-2011 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by Rightseat Ballast (Post 938633)
...Rest, Duty, 3585...

Rest: whatever Crew Tracking thinks it is
Duty: also whatever Crew Tracking thinks it is
3585: You're kidding right? Oh, no you're not... has anyone EVER used that stupid rule EVER? (except on a 121/135 GS exam or Oral?)

Convairator 01-30-2011 09:50 AM

a thread about SHUTTLE training?!? I thought nasa cancelled the shuttle program, but it must have been extended if you have a class date for it.
In indoc, you will learn about liquid rocket fuel, heat shields, freeze dried ice cream and beef jerky.
Systems are pretty easy, just rockets.
The shuttle sim is pretty simple, be familiar with NDB's though. The shuttle only uses NDB approaches without an autopilot. During most landings, expect DME arcs, and holding, because the Nasa runway is pretty busy and the shuttle has last priority

The best way to prepare for shuttle training is by playing 'Star Wars: The Force Unleashed' for Xbox360. Make sure to fly the Imperial Tie fighter, and not the X-wing (the x-wings V speeds are much different than the space shuttle). Once your proficient after about 600 hours on this, shuttle training should be a breeze. (dont shoot at the eWoks)

Trogdor 01-30-2011 12:00 PM

Expect a bunch of guys with shiny jet syndrome telling the cute bartender that they fly for United.

sso1078 01-30-2011 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by convairator (Post 938813)
a thread about shuttle training?!? I thought nasa cancelled the shuttle program, but it must have been extended if you have a class date for it.
In indoc, you will learn about liquid rocket fuel, heat shields, freeze dried ice cream and beef jerky.
Systems are pretty easy, just rockets.
The shuttle sim is pretty simple, be familiar with ndb's though. The shuttle only uses ndb approaches without an autopilot. During most landings, expect dme arcs, and holding, because the nasa runway is pretty busy and the shuttle has last priority

the best way to prepare for shuttle training is by playing 'star wars: The force unleashed' for xbox360. Make sure to fly the imperial tie fighter, and not the x-wing (the x-wings v speeds are much different than the space shuttle). Once your proficient after about 600 hours on this, shuttle training should be a breeze. (dont shoot at the ewoks)

lol!!!......

ScaryKite 01-30-2011 01:10 PM

my first day of indoc there they took 8 people and "displaced" them to the CRJ. Even though they accepted positions on the 145......just a glimpse of how that place does business. RUN!!!!!!!

SpeedyVagabond 01-31-2011 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by Trogdor (Post 938865)
Expect a bunch of guys with shiny jet syndrome telling the cute bartender that they fly for United.

And after you finish IOE, excited by the freshness of it all and the fact that all your hard work has you on the path you chose, you'll get to fly with the Trogs of the world who try to drag everyone else down to their sad bitter level. That's when you'll be glad you paid attention in systems and you'll reach over and push out the intercom button and settle down to gaining experience and enjoying the journey you're embarking on. :rolleyes:

Rightseat Ballast 01-31-2011 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by nordo (Post 938740)
Rest: whatever Crew Tracking thinks it is
Duty: also whatever Crew Tracking thinks it is
3585: You're kidding right? Oh, no you're not... has anyone EVER used that stupid rule EVER? (except on a 121/135 GS exam or Oral?)


Knowing the rest and duty has saved me Crew Scheduling's whims on a number of occasions. You will be the enforcer of FARs at RAH, not scheduling!

As for 3585, I have used it about two dozen times on the line. The problem is dispatch nearly always screws it up., so you need to know it. A RAH pilot is basically responsible for running the whole freaking airline legally. If you want to keep your certificate, know the rules, because the fools and the schemers on the other end of the phone will inevitably put you in a bad spot.

slumav505 01-31-2011 02:40 PM

If you can bring a car, do so. There's nothing close to the training facility to eat. They do have some delivery. Training facility is relatively new, but in an industrial park by the airport. Cool coffee machines that nearly everyone get's confused by on day 1. Welcome on board. I'll be in recurrent next week myself, so I might see you around.

G-Dog 01-31-2011 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by ScaryKite (Post 938905)
my first day of indoc there they took 8 people and "displaced" them to the CRJ. Even though they accepted positions on the 145......just a glimpse of how that place does business. RUN!!!!!!!

Stop it. No need to run. Welcome aboard.

ehe2 01-31-2011 07:18 PM

Run
 
WARNING: you are about to make the biggest mistake of your life; working for a 121 Regional (FAKE major)....RUN.....RUN!!!!!! RUN FAR FAR AWAY!!!!!!!!
RUN!!!!!!! AND remember.....FRANK WAS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You'll thank me later.....otherwise, you will regret not following the advice above....

TurboDog 01-31-2011 08:12 PM


Originally Posted by ehe2 (Post 939808)
WARNING: you are about to make the biggest mistake of your life; working for a 121 Regional (FAKE major)....RUN.....RUN!!!!!! RUN FAR FAR AWAY!!!!!!!!
RUN!!!!!!! AND remember.....FRANK WAS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You'll thank me later.....otherwise, you will regret not following the advice above....

I'd venture to say that the majority of folks filling the new hire classes right now already have part 121 regional experience. Most are furloughed guys looking for a paycheck and they are aware of the luxurious life of a regional slave.

Peeinginthesink 01-31-2011 09:21 PM

"what to expect at shuttle?"

Easy: Fly it and grieve it.

God speed.

PCLCREW 02-01-2011 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by TurboDog (Post 939836)
I'd venture to say that the majority of folks filling the new hire classes right now already have part 121 regional experience. Most are furloughed guys looking for a paycheck and they are aware of the luxurious life of a regional slave.

Home Depot gives out paychecks also.

TurboDog 02-01-2011 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by PCLCREW (Post 940310)
Home Depot gives out paychecks also.

Yeah, but that's real work. Who wants to do that?

SlowATRDriver 02-01-2011 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by PCLCREW (Post 940310)
Home Depot gives out paychecks also.

Then quit your current regional and go to Home Depot.

frmrdashtrash 02-01-2011 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by PCLCREW (Post 940310)
Home Depot gives out paychecks also.

You can't get on at Home Depot right now without some sort of construction background. Found out the hard way.

Wal Mart will take you for a dept. management but it pays about what a regional does (offered me $10.68 / hr and that was a high starting pay according to the girl who typed my info into the computer. She was surprised.).

PCLCREW 02-02-2011 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by SlowATRDriver (Post 940413)
Then quit your current regional and go to Home Depot.

As soon as I make it to my goal of ATR capt I will.

Big Duke 6 02-17-2011 01:12 PM

I worked for Home Depot while furloughed a couple of years ago. I made more than at my regional job. Most of it went right back to them for home improvement on my house. It was a ok job, but not my chosen career

Boomer 02-17-2011 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by Big Duke 6 (Post 949333)
It was a ok job, but not my chosen career

I hope you say the same about being a regional pilot... :D


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