PapaMike

For those arguing that the furloughs should be put behind guys who were active as of 7-1, do you think it makes a difference if they took one of the jobs at 9E or 9L?

Sheer curiosity...

Avroman

Personally I think ANYONE hired before the merger (7-1-10) should be ahead of ANYONE after. Now are those of us here furloughed going to get a fair shake in that time frame, not likely. ( I was there myself during the BK time here) Now if they get thrown under the bus to hires after 7-1-10 at ANY company, then there is some serious lying and BS that I AM willing to fight on behalf of my fellow pilots. Those hired after that date were told and should know and expect to be merged behind ANY pilot hired at any of the 3 before that date.

Bartok

The MOU states that they keep their original XJ hire dates for SLI.

PapaMike

Does that apply only to those that took positions at colgan or pinnacle?

I'm not advocating that guys should necessarily be tossed behind the guys hired after july 1st but if they jumped ship to another carrier when they were furloughed and now see that they can come back and jump in front of hundreds of other guys it is a bit off in my book.

I kind of feel that the mou should only apply to those that took positions at colgan or pinnacle when offered and those who didnt should go to the back of the bus.

Al Czervik

All furloughed XJ will retain seniority.

Bartok

They did not jump ship at all, they were offered to come back to Colgan or 9E and they would keep their original XJ seniority. That was the deal, not many would have done it without such a promise.

No wonder this industry is such crap, we can't even look out for each other, we try to take advantage of one another to suit our own selfish desires.

SrfNFly227

First, I am not saying that I agree with him. But I think you misread his post.

I believe PapaMike is talking about a furloughed pilot who was offered employment at Pinnacle or Colgan, but ended up bypassing recall to go to another job somewhere else. That pilot "jumped ship," but would now be coming back with the original DOH and would be an almost instant line holder. Doesn't seem fair.

Again, I am not saying I agree with this, just saying how I read his post.

Bartok

If they went to another company, not 9E or 9L, and that company did not require them to give up their number at XJ, then too bad so sad for THAT company if they decide to leave and come back when recalled.

And how is it jumping ship if you go take a job after you are furloughed so you can feed your family?

The taking advantage of furloughed pilots during a merger has got to stop in this industry.

Bartok

You were right though, I did misread his post.

PapaMike

Yeah, SrfNFly227 got the intent of my post. That whole concept of giving up your seniority number doesn't do a whole lot of anything. Lot's of guys "gave up" their numbers and have gone back to their previous employers and I don't have any problem with that. My point was to say that if you were furloughed then you had an expectation of going back(maybe) to that company once things picked up and they needed more guys and you would have gone back to the bottom of the list which is right where you left it.

Why is it that you think the guys who WERE at the bottom of the list and should come back anywhere but the bottom? Obviously if you came back and took a position at 9E or 9L you would no longer be considered as furloughed but then you would still retain the origional number at the bottom of your origional list. Which would of course be above those hired after july 1.