XJ 9E 9L SLI Thread
02-14-2011, 07:27 PM
#51
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Joined APC: Sep 2010
Position: Up Front
Posts: 1,628
Alright, I'm going to try to make this as simple as possible.
Thanks to the Colgan guys that sent DOH info.
I took different %'s of each list and I'm showing how a pilot at a particular DOH would fair using the 2 different extremes of thought on seniority integration (percentage in your company now VS. DOH)
This is a generalized calculation and I had to make several assumptions:
- 9E pilots are calculated using their checkride date not DOH
- XJ furloughs are treated fairly
- 2804 pilots on merged list not including newhires
- I did the calculations at the 10%, 20%, 40%, 60%, and 80% position of each company to show a trend
- They are negotiating how they will integrate the lists now, but you will probably fall within the range of the 2 different methodologies after it is finished.
- use Interpolation
Just look at your particular airline and hire date to see where you fall on the 3000 pilot list for each method, either DOH or percentage.
Colgan
Hire Date -- DOH -- %method
06/2004 --- 867 --- 280
07/2005 --- 1151 --- 561
03/2007 --- 1525 --- 1122
11/2007 --- 2118 --- 1683
06/2008 --- 2507 --- 2243
Mesaba
Hire Date -- DOH -- %method
10/1995 --- 155 --- 280
03/1999 --- 306 --- 561
08/2004 --- 895 --- 1122
08/2007 --- 1953 --- 1683
01/2008 --- 2343 --- 2243
Pinnacle
Hire Date -- DOH -- %method
04/2000 --- 412 --- 280
10/2002 --- 639 --- 561
02/2005 --- 1044 --- 1122
08/2006 --- 1403 --- 1683
08/2007 --- 1932 --- 2243
Thanks to the Colgan guys that sent DOH info.
I took different %'s of each list and I'm showing how a pilot at a particular DOH would fair using the 2 different extremes of thought on seniority integration (percentage in your company now VS. DOH)
This is a generalized calculation and I had to make several assumptions:
- 9E pilots are calculated using their checkride date not DOH
- XJ furloughs are treated fairly
- 2804 pilots on merged list not including newhires
- I did the calculations at the 10%, 20%, 40%, 60%, and 80% position of each company to show a trend
- They are negotiating how they will integrate the lists now, but you will probably fall within the range of the 2 different methodologies after it is finished.
- use Interpolation
Just look at your particular airline and hire date to see where you fall on the 3000 pilot list for each method, either DOH or percentage.
Colgan
Hire Date -- DOH -- %method
06/2004 --- 867 --- 280
07/2005 --- 1151 --- 561
03/2007 --- 1525 --- 1122
11/2007 --- 2118 --- 1683
06/2008 --- 2507 --- 2243
Mesaba
Hire Date -- DOH -- %method
10/1995 --- 155 --- 280
03/1999 --- 306 --- 561
08/2004 --- 895 --- 1122
08/2007 --- 1953 --- 1683
01/2008 --- 2343 --- 2243
Pinnacle
Hire Date -- DOH -- %method
04/2000 --- 412 --- 280
10/2002 --- 639 --- 561
02/2005 --- 1044 --- 1122
08/2006 --- 1403 --- 1683
08/2007 --- 1932 --- 2243
Last edited by Bartok; 02-15-2011 at 01:42 PM. Reason: I made the % merged list more accurate to reflect only merged pilots
02-14-2011, 08:48 PM
#53
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: SF340 CA
Posts: 59
Dat there is some fuzzy math son!
Problem here is that 6/08 hires are holding Q CA positions at 9L and now you are projecting them to go to basically the bottom of a 3000 pilot list with only about 400 guys below them?
In all honesty thank you! I know what you were trying accomplish by trying to give everyone a rough idea of where they may stand in a few different scenarios, but those numbers are going to cause a slight "disturbance" in the pilot group.
Lets just be patient and wait for the SLI team to do their job and before we all kill each other.
Problem here is that 6/08 hires are holding Q CA positions at 9L and now you are projecting them to go to basically the bottom of a 3000 pilot list with only about 400 guys below them?
In all honesty thank you! I know what you were trying accomplish by trying to give everyone a rough idea of where they may stand in a few different scenarios, but those numbers are going to cause a slight "disturbance" in the pilot group.
Lets just be patient and wait for the SLI team to do their job and before we all kill each other.
02-15-2011, 04:28 AM
#54
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Joined APC: Sep 2010
Position: Up Front
Posts: 1,628
Originally Posted by AJDWINGS
Dat there is some fuzzy math son!
Problem here is that 6/08 hires are holding Q CA positions at 9L and now you are projecting them to go to basically the bottom of a 3000 pilot list with only about 400 guys below them?
In all honesty thank you! I know what you were trying accomplish by trying to give everyone a rough idea of where they may stand in a few different scenarios, but those numbers are going to cause a slight "disturbance" in the pilot group.
Lets just be patient and wait for the SLI team to do their job and before we all kill each other.
Problem here is that 6/08 hires are holding Q CA positions at 9L and now you are projecting them to go to basically the bottom of a 3000 pilot list with only about 400 guys below them?
In all honesty thank you! I know what you were trying accomplish by trying to give everyone a rough idea of where they may stand in a few different scenarios, but those numbers are going to cause a slight "disturbance" in the pilot group.
Lets just be patient and wait for the SLI team to do their job and before we all kill each other.
And its not fuzzy math at all, I put everyone in DOH order for one list and calculated the percentiles of each individual at their company for the % based list, Elementary school stuff.
An 08 hire holding a captain position must consider themselves lucky, but after integration that is the range where they will fall on the 3000 pilot list.
No one will be bumped from their seats for SLI, only XJ Saab guys being displaced will cause people to lose their positions, but those 08 hires are going to be junior captains for a long time I believe.
Last edited by Bartok; 02-15-2011 at 07:28 AM.
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