ShyGuy

How would you be 200 from the bottom? A little too dramatic there. Fair and equitable does not mean you will be screwed. DOH isn't too bad, but my only beef with it is that it doesn't do justice to the other two groups, 9E and 9L, who will most likely suffer at the bottom end of the list when all Saabs are parked by next year. Essentially, DOH provides a cushion to XJ guys despite the fact that they are bringing a dying, shrinking fleet. Save the speech on the demise of CRJ-200s, those for Pinnacle will be around until 2017 (or unless some other factor, acts of God, performance issues, etc). But the Saabs are gone by next year, and DOH provides XJ a huge benefit, while punishing the junior 9E/9L pilots. Otherwise, DOH is fair.

If you really wanna "go figure and rolleyes" I'll be honest and say that the few pilots I knew going to Colgan in 2007 were going there not by choice, but because no one else would touch them. Draw your own conlusions. I'm talking failed checkride histories (at least Eagle says no at 3), bad personalities, etc. Colgan was never the 'good' regional to go to, most (but not all) that went there because they had really no other choice. Sure, you're right. You made your choice, and I made mine. But do realize, that your group directly grew as a result of Pinnacle Inc. money, and in that time of rapid growth, Pinnacle downgraded twice and displaced twice as well. The arbitrator isn't blind. He will consider this as well in his award. I don't want to "leap frog" anybody. But anybody who advanced prior at our expense should expect to pay back some to the team in SLI.

Time will tell on Monday!

Bartok

DOH helps 9E more than it helps XJ.

higney85

Only in certain spots. Is screws the junior and senior. Slightly helps the mid. It depends on what DOH is compared to in "help". It only helps senior XJ. Mid/junior XJ aren't helped. Colgan becomes the wildcard in all of this. That's my personal observations.

Bartok

According to the lists I compiled, 9E is helped by DOH from about the 30% mark all the way down the list.

XJ is helped by DOH to about 45% then it goes up exponentially that the rest need relative, then tapers off again at about 80% toward DOH.

Doesn't matter though, I'm not Bloch.

higney85

Yup, it's up to Bloch. I'm numb at this point. Worst case I remain a rsv DTW 200 CA. Best case I can get back home to Mem in time with vacancies. It is what it is. Each group put their pilots first and each group disagrees with the other. We are well on our way to everyone being equally angry, which is a pretty good indicator it was done right. Let's just hope it's equal frustration and the only "smile" is whoever is actually #1. We are ripping each other apart when we are supposed to be together.

captain152

Higney85 for president

whtever

Hearing a late '07 hire speak like this is laughable, and the completely condesending tone to those that are actually senior to yourself at 9L shows the type of pilot we are actually dealing with. Even though senior, I speak for myself and the that are senior to you in any method, except the 'fair and equitable' method of 9e. Getting hired at the end of any hiring boom can be frustrating, you had your choice, so did we, neither one necessarily correct. And your notion of Colgan being the only place to go, knowing the other airlines wouldn't touch a Colgan candidate is ignorant. Hearsay in the crew room makes one an expert? Colgan had a very succesfull and aggressive hiring plan, and were almost always the one that showed interest first. Right, wrong or indifferent, many pilots I know took the first job offered rather than wait until the hiring was over, and they are stand-up guys with clean aviation histories. Without offense, you are a prime example why waiting a couple of months can put you behind . Getting hired at an airline with positive growth, an alpa drive, and a fuel efficient fleet was not all that bad of an idea, regardless that you, yourself "bought the q's" even though you were not on property until later. Maybe had you made a different decision you'd be singing a more relaxed and different tune, other than the high pitched whiny 'New Kid On the Block' track we keep hearing on repeat...


Forget Pete, for all of our sakes, give us a break! Let's let the expert deal with the SLI, while we'll leave you the walkaround!

ShyGuy

True or false. On the Colgan list, I'd be about 250 out of roughly 600. That's pretty accurate, yes? So, it's more hundreds and hundreds below as opposed to above. Hell, that's in the top half right there.

Don't insult the industry. We all know what Colgan's "hiring plans" did to hire pilots. Back in 2005-2008, Colgan hired anyone who could fog a mirror (though, to be fair, so did many other regionals). In certain cases, some people with multiple failures were able to slip through the cracks by, well, just outright lying. No thorough background checks were conducted. As I said, the ability to fog a mirror was more than enough. Colgan grew more than it could handle. Bringing a new fleet type was a huge challenge, and a challenge that they tried to handle with only their own limited resources. Hence some of the lowest time APDs at regionals, and at the time, some of the lowest total time CAs. Just listen to the former pilots of Colgan talk on that "Flying Cheap" documentary. It's very, very obvious that Colgan was in over their heads with themselves. I'm not blaming the pilots for taking jobs there, but Colgan management and their leadership failed because they could not handle the vast amount of growth in the short time. Colgan 3407 is just a result of that rapid expansion, lack of resources, and lack of checking of people being hired, because they were happy the individual could fog a mirror. Successful hiring plan? Absolutely not. It was a miserable failure. IN fact, had their hiring plan been successful and stringent (as it should be), the Captain of 3407 wouldn't have been hired.

Anyway, as you said, there's nothing anyone can do about the result. We all have to wait until Monday.

Luv2Rotate

and I suppose 410 club and taking off on the wrong runway makes Pinnacle pilots superior right? Get a grip man.

Farmlover

and this has to do with the SLI how??