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Originally Posted by Mason32
(Post 952306)
Probably because the 500 RJ Captains have already proven they can handle airline style training programs, line checks, company BS, and still get the job done... while the pilot you suggest, may in all actuallity be the "better pilot" he/she has zero experience operating in an airline environment. The RJ CA's are known product, the pilot like you are describing could be good, or just lucky... who knows. All in all, the 121 Hiring people are more comfortable hiring somebody with similar training and requirements as their own. Does that mean they don't hire freight dogs, no... it simply means the RJ guys are a known product, and the cargo guys not as much. Besides, they don't want guys like you anyway; don't believe me? apply and see.
They want to suck up as many of the low time kids as they can, while they can.... once they can't, they'll start hiring all those furloughed and experienced guys. Which Baron ya got... I owned an A55 and an E55 back in the day... both great machines. |
+2. Been on furlough almost a year so far. Kinda blows the mind that experience seems to be actually hurting me at this point. Go figure.
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Originally Posted by Vegaspilot
(Post 952341)
+2. Been on furlough almost a year so far. Kinda blows the mind that experience seems to be actually hurting me at this point. Go figure.
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Originally Posted by CRJ7Driver
(Post 952396)
+3 we are in the same boat.
I feel for the furloughed guys. I don't know why they wouldn't have you guys at the top of their list. But then again there are many variables! CFI |
Originally Posted by CFItillIdie
(Post 952448)
I am a high time CFI....+2600 hrs, and I am starting to wonder if I should start ripping pages out of my logbook to make it look like I don't have as much flight time. I have seen several instructors who were junior to me with lesser credentials get interviews/jobs at places I have applied to. I really wonder if the regionals are looking to hire someone who is around that 1000 hr mark. I guess the age old tradition of "paying your dues" has lost some luster.
I feel for the furloughed guys. I don't know why they wouldn't have you guys at the top of their list. But then again there are many variables! CFI |
Originally Posted by Bzwebner
(Post 952451)
I was given offers at two regionals with 2073 hours.
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Originally Posted by CFItillIdie
(Post 952448)
I am a high time CFI....+2600 hrs, and I am starting to wonder if I should start ripping pages out of my logbook to make it look like I don't have as much flight time. I have seen several instructors who were junior to me with lesser credentials get interviews/jobs at places I have applied to. I really wonder if the regionals are looking to hire someone who is around that 1000 hr mark. I guess the age old tradition of "paying your dues" has lost some luster.
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Originally Posted by Coto Pilot
(Post 952121)
I stopped flying years ago for about seven years, at the time I had 7000-8000 hours. I got current on my own dime and was hired at Eagle. After 9 months I was hired at America West and a month after that hired at United. Hasn't always been a great run, but it was easy for me to get back into it after a long hiatus.
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Odd. RAH is having trouble filling classes or at least they were. Talked to someone there today about it.
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Originally Posted by Vegaspilot
(Post 952584)
Odd. RAH is having trouble filling classes or at least they were. Talked to someone there today about it.
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Originally Posted by CFItillIdie
(Post 952457)
Congrats...what's your secret?
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Originally Posted by stbloc
(Post 952599)
What did they say?
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH
(Post 952614)
My secret was.... I can call myself a Native American. I used to decline to say what my ethnicity is (I don't believe that should enter into the equation-I'm qualified or I am not). But, in desperation, I started claiming my 1/8 status as a Native and lo and behold I started getting interview offers from several companies. Maybe it was timing or luck, but the previous few months I got nothing. You decide.
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Originally Posted by Cal Varnson
(Post 952641)
Nice. I'm 1/16. Wonder if that counts?
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH
(Post 952614)
My secret was.... I can call myself a Native American. I used to decline to say what my ethnicity is (I don't believe that should enter into the equation-I'm qualified or I am not). But, in desperation, I started claiming my 1/8 status as a Native and lo and behold I started getting interview offers from several companies. Maybe it was timing or luck, but the previous few months I got nothing. You decide.
Originally Posted by threeighteen
(Post 952646)
Anyone know if there's a legal requirement?
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I bet if they dropped the minimums to 250/25 and instituted PFT they could fill every class. With inflation, I would be willing to wager the companies could get 20k out of folks and there would be a line.
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Originally Posted by Cal Varnson
(Post 952641)
Nice. I'm 1/16. Wonder if that counts?
Originally Posted by threeighteen
(Post 952646)
Anyone know if there's a legal requirement?
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH
(Post 952784)
Since we are are self declaring, and no one has given me any guidance, I used my best judgment. It isn't like they can come back and say I lied. If they DO, I'll be looking for a lawyer ASAP since those declaration forms are NOT supposed to be used for eligibility.
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Originally Posted by MIKEE
(Post 952746)
I bet if they dropped the minimums to 250/25 and instituted PFT they could fill every class. With inflation, I would be willing to wager the companies could get 20k out of folks and there would be a line.
This vocation is more addicting than heroin. That doesn't mean that anyone with 250/25 would make it through training. Getting a commercial certificate and then making it through a 121 training program and onto the line are two vastly different animals. Not everyone hired these days is making it through training. |
Originally Posted by saab2000
(Post 953475)
That doesn't mean that anyone with 250/25 would make it through training. Getting a commercial certificate and then making it through a 121 training program and onto the line are two vastly different animals.
Not everyone hired these days is making it through training. |
Originally Posted by Cruz5350
(Post 953492)
Which is weird because back when the mass hiring was going on low time people were making it through training. Yes I'm sure some washed out, but not compared to now. So what's changed?
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Originally Posted by dosbo
(Post 952686)
From research, over ten years ago, I remember 1/8th being the minimum mix to qualify for status. Also for Native American status you needed to be tribally affiliated which required affiliation by your 18th birthday with tribal participation requirements. It all seemed so silly that I am part Cherokee but would have had to prove it when all other minority groups could just mark the block. I never used it because I couldn't adequately document my history and was way to old to tribally affiliate.
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Originally Posted by Cal Varnson
(Post 952641)
Nice. I'm 1/16. Wonder if that counts?
I'm 1/2 and haven't found it to give me an edge with anyone. I did just get hired after being furloughed for almost a year. I had 2 interviews prior to my 3rd successful interview. 1st with Wisky. I interviewed against 2 women... kinda knew that was a lost cause. 2nd with Eagle. They pulled me outta the room before we even got started. Found two errors in my logbook and sent me home because of it. Errors fixed, new job acquired at a different company and very happy with the outcome. |
...while a very nice thought the regionals would jump starting pay to $40k a year to fill classes, something tells me they would somehow manage to keep it at $20k a year and get the FAA to approve the "multi crew license" here in the good ole' usa....then their new hires would simply need a "multi crew license" and away they go. I am sure that's their strategy for any possibility of an airline pilot "shortage". Nice thought though.....
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Originally Posted by CTOGUY
(Post 957818)
...while a very nice thought the regionals would jump starting pay to $40k a year to fill classes, something tells me they would somehow manage to keep it at $20k a year and get the FAA to approve the "multi crew license" here in the good ole' usa....then their new hires would simply need a "multi crew license" and away they go. I am sure that's their strategy for any possibility of an airline pilot "shortage". Nice thought though.....
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I'm going to ride to this pilot shortage on my Unicorn.:D
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I'll fly into the shortage on my HOG. LoL
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Originally Posted by CRJ7Driver
(Post 951263)
I think eagle is a little picky, and yet needs pilots to fill class. 5 coworkers that I know had applied in eagle got turn down, one of them because he had 1 CFI failed check ride
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Interesting thing about classes being full. Several years ago I jumped on the first regional to hire me and at first it was great until the Parent company drove them into the ground and now their fleet is almost non-existant. (guess who)
Since then I have learned not to be picky and actually use the info on this website to compare payscales and the info about the most junior capt. Payscales and upgrade times are EXTREMELY important. I have had recently 3 interview requests but I am holding out for better. Pinnacle for example (not sure if this is the new contract rate) offers 21$ first year and 24$ for the second year. You have to be joking right? A 3$ per hour raise? Scratch that! And they wonder why they can't fill classes? If you could upgrade in a year that would be different but geeze 24$ a flight hour for second year pay? What are they smoking?:eek: |
Originally Posted by CFItillIdie
(Post 952448)
I am a high time CFI....+2600 hrs, and I am starting to wonder if I should start ripping pages out of my logbook to make it look like I don't have as much flight time. I have seen several instructors who were junior to me with lesser credentials get interviews/jobs at places I have applied to. I really wonder if the regionals are looking to hire someone who is around that 1000 hr mark. I guess the age old tradition of "paying your dues" has lost some luster.
It could be a lot of factors. Some guys have the experience but they just don't interview well. I spent six month ins recruiting and we looked for confident (but not arrogant) pilots with good attitudes and good manners who looked us in the eyes and didn't stumble over answers too much. Even good posture says a lot. Some guys show up improperly dressed or in need of haircut. Geesh! If someone can't take the time to make themselves look presentable and dress appropriately then don't expect to get the job. I'm just saying that there is a lot more to it than just meeting the minimums. |
Originally Posted by dashtrash300
(Post 952327)
I sure hope to see another special on NBC about how regionals are still hiring low time pilots. Turn the attention away from crashpads and show that airlines haven't really learned anything. Raise pay and you might attract better qualifed applicants.
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Fresh haircut, suit, shirt, tie, shoes, check. What is it with the staring contest? Ever stare down your cat? I always win however one can make certain that you sit up straight, one leg crossed, I usually touch my fingertips together, keeps me from making hand gestures.
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Originally Posted by clipperskipper
(Post 958471)
Fresh haircut, suit, shirt, tie, shoes, check. What is it with the staring contest? Ever stare down your cat? I always win however one can make certain that you sit up straight, one leg crossed, I usually touch my fingertips together, keeps me from making hand gestures.
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Mainline pilots
Originally Posted by Romulus
(Post 958488)
There's no magic to it. Be yourself. Have your records in order. Be courteous and polite to everyone you meet. Let them see you would be a good employee and someone they'd like flying with for four days. No one wants to be in a cockpit with a jerk for that long which might explain why so many mainline pilots aren't being hired by regionals. :p
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You can be sure that when you are being interviewed by a line captain, he is asking himself, "would I want to be in the cockpit with this person for a month?"
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Applied to Eagle through Airline Apps, nothing, not even a pulse. Have several others lined up, this is a very good thing.
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
(Post 957821)
The FAA will likely lower the requirement for an ATP first. The "multi crew license" is a threat, but we are not there yet.
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Originally Posted by Phrog Phlyer
(Post 958751)
The Colgan crash set that plan back by 10 years. We may see it one day, but the days of offering right seat to 250 hour wonders is on the back burner for now.
Its not on the Back burner at Pinnacle, we have agrements with some aviation schools with 250 hr guys coming in some are in class right now. They dont even have to interview with pinnacle. |
Originally Posted by Farmlover
(Post 958768)
Its not on the Back burner at Pinnacle, we have agrements with some aviation schools with 250 hr guys coming in some are in class right now. They dont even have to interview with pinnacle.
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Originally Posted by Farmlover
(Post 958768)
Its not on the Back burner at Pinnacle, we have agrements with some aviation schools with 250 hr guys coming in some are in class right now. They dont even have to interview with pinnacle.
There aren't any 250 guys in class right now. The lowest time in the class that started on 2/28 is 1000hrs. I have heard that they are going to be getting some of these guys in the class on the 14th. |
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