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Originally Posted by Farmlover
(Post 959005)
pncl holdings and 9e are the same thing.
Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. | Welcome - This is 9E. Two different companies. |
you mesaba guys sure were singing a different tune when it came to XJ/Mesaba Holdings/Big Sky etc....
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 959021)
Welcome to Pinnacle Airlines Corp. | Located in Memphis, Tenn.
Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. | Welcome - This is 9E. Two different companies. You mean 2 companies at the same address with the same people in command? That got their income from the same source? :rolleyes: |
Now, Now......Fight nice boys!
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Originally Posted by IBPilot
(Post 959036)
You mean 2 companies at the same address with the same people in command? That got their income from the same source? :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 959045)
Yes, they are two distinct different companies under US law. It's the same setup Delta has with Comair and had with Compass and XJ. We were banned from filing a PID to force an integration because under law we were not eligible to be Delta pilots. Management chooses how they want to operate these companies together, not the union or the pilots. In our case they chose to operate us a 2 different companies under one contract and one list. Neither company has an advantage over any other. That's why most likely the arbitrator will integrate the three lists by relative seniority.
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Originally Posted by IBPilot
(Post 959051)
Delta and Comair relationship is nowhere close to 9e/9l/Corp. relationship......Delta didn't really "buy" Comair for the sole purpose of outsourcing cheaper and getting around scope to the degree Pinnacle Corp did....let's also not forget that 9e was "wholly owned" by NWA till they sold them and got the sham "Pinnacle Corp" piece of paper...
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 959063)
I'm pretty sure Comair was formed to get around the Delta pilot's scope contract. Since, 9e and 9l are operating under a single joint contract with a pending SLI, I don't think 9l was purchased to get around the scope language of the pinnacle pilots. Colgan has never operated as NW airlink or for Delta.
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 959045)
Yes, they are two distinct different companies under US law. It's the same setup Delta has with Comair and had with Compass and XJ. We were banned from filing a PID to force an integration because under law we were not eligible to be Delta pilots. Management chooses how they want to operate these companies together, not the union or the pilots. In our case they chose to operate us a 2 different companies under one contract and one list. Neither company has an advantage over any other. That's why most likely the arbitrator will integrate the three lists by relative seniority.
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Originally Posted by mooney
(Post 959144)
you realize 9l was purchased years before this TA and SLI right?
Originally Posted by mooney
(Post 959144)
9l with NO contract and 9e on a 3 year expired contract with no talk of Mesaba in sight? or even talk of a joint Pinnacle/Colgan contract? If what you said about 9L is true we would not have been negotiating SEPARATE contracts until XJ came along....we would have been negotiating a 9e/9l contract...and the only reason we have a 3 way contract, much less a 2 way, is so that pinnacle management could transfer the XJ equipment. Without that management would have LOVED 3 separate contracts and associated whipsaw.
Originally Posted by mooney
(Post 959144)
what does 9L not doing Delta flying have to do with scope? nothing. Just because you fly for a different carrier doesn't mean you throw scope out the window.
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