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How do you go about applying to companies such as Mesa that require 1000/100 but supposidly will hire people w/ lower times when airlineapps.com says it won't even display your application until you reach the 1000/100 minimums?

do yourself a favor and don't apply there

Applying to MESA?
 

You are not serious about applying to MESA are you, you are better of Instructing until you can get picked up by a real airline, oh just in case you were wondering Blowjets isnt one of them ;)

always seems easier to say when ur no longer on that side of the fence..."boy were things easy when i was a CFI"...It may not be great, but, might be a step up from where he's @, and who knows the situation.

honestly, main reason I'm thinking about it is I'm having some issues finding a CFI job. I don't know if its true or not but people say that the reason is that everyone thinks I won't stick around for too long because I have about 800 some hours so they figure I'll stick around to 1000 (like a couple months) and leave.

So, I'm pretty much looking for what I can get, although I did get an interview w/ Scenic towards the end of the month. Anyone here work for them/have any input about them?

what's your multi time, i know people who got picked up with less than 600 and 60 hrs twin at xjt....mesa is honestly the ****tiest place to go, not mention the rest of the industry looks down at you for working for a cut-throat airline....

how did you get 800 hrs without instructing??? curious..

I only have like 70 multi. It's actually kind of funny, I was just working with an instructor who was like 800 hours and only 70 multi? But honestly, I have never really seen a need to fly multi (at least for my purposes) because all the singles I fly will outrun almost all twins short of a baron, and still come damn close to the baron.

Regarding how I got 800TT w/o instructing, to be honest w/ you I'm not completely sure. I have been flying since I was about 10 years old (taking dual w/ an instructor until I got my student license), so a few hours added up there, but I think the majority of it has been recently working on ratings (Instrument - CFI, CFII, MEI, etc...) and taking trips out to California, Oregon, Minnesota, etc...

I understand what flynavy is saying, but in the case of mesa you really DO want to stay in general aviation rather than go there. 1000/100 will get you a real job somewhere else.

If you have some b@llz and absolutely can't scrounge up the hours any other way, you could go to mesa, get typed, fly 200 hours and then bail for a better carrier after a few months...you would have to ignore their attempts to harrass you into paying their $10,000 early-out penalty. The legality of enforcing that is apparently debatable.

Yes but 1000/100 will currently allow you a dash-8 upgrade in a few months and a left seat in a jet in another 18 months. Where else can you do that?

I am no fan of Mesa, but 3 to 5 (or 7!) years as a FO in a "good regional" (whatever your definition of a "good regional" might be) may not be preferable for some people.

you're missing the point

It looks like it doesn't it?

(still missing the point...)

the point is that if you want to work for a scab airline just to get quick upgrade time,then you're a tool that doesn't care how the rest of the industry is affected by noob pilots all hot up for a jet, and willing to fly 70-90 pax jets for 1 dollar more an hour at block or worse compared to what a 50 seat flyer gets at block or better...

Go fly 200 hours and get on with a respected regional and do yourself and EVERY OTHER PILOT IN THE INDUSTRY A FAVOR AND DON'T SELL OUT. Good luck and tell your friends not to sell out either. You'll see what I mean in a year.

You obviously haven't experienced mesa...I walked out of a mesa upgrade class (and years of seniority) to start over elsewhere. That's how bad it is. Besides, I saw enough of mesa's operational catastrophes this summer to conclude that they are probably going to get fired by one or more of their partners asap...you think being a 5 year FO is bad, TRY BEING A 5 YEAR FO AT F&%KING MESA!!!


Also, my seniority was moving about 5-8 numbers a month (yes five) out of 1900 pilots...that accounts for a retirements, motorcycle accidents, and military recalls...and one maybe two pilots PER MONTH getting hired at the majors! That is a very, very bad number...those who upgrade now will be on reserve for life, if they don't get flushed back to FO when the layoffs start.

Rickair, who did you go fly for after leaving Mesa?

You better be sure before you show up for a job interview. One of the reasons you might be having trouble getting job offers is because the amount of time you have smells fishy to some folks. Better make sure you can explain it or the airlines will show you the door faster than the flight schools.

PS
I was in the same boat and always had more time than my peers because I had gotten my private 2 years before going to UND and then spent about 100 hours tooling around with friends and family. So when most guys were starting with 0 time or 40 hours and a PPL, I showed up with about 175 hours. Raised some eyebrows when I came around looking for a CFI job but since it was properly logged and I could talk about it in detail there was never a problem.

A large, growing regional with a strong presence in the west.

Rick, I am really sorry you had to quit and start all over. I had no idea things were so bad at Mesa. By your posts and insight into the industry I always assumed you were a captain. Sorry you had to leave just before upgrade. Best of luck with your new job. I've found that most changes (whether professional or personal) end up being worth it in the long run. Complacency is what drags us on. Good Luck!

smoke, I see your point but then following your logic you can call all regionals "scab airlines". They all took away mainline jobs. All of them. All of them do the same job cheaper. Some undercut more than others but they are all in the same boat. A few dollars more here or a few dollars less there doesn't set them apart. Block or better vs. block or worse doesn't define scab vs. no scab, either. At the end they are all filling a void created for them by the majors. It's not the regionals' fault.

I didn't mean that I wasn't sure of how I got it all, it's all properly logged and such. What I meant was that I have built it up here and there over time, which really isn't that much if you consider the fact that I do have 810 hours w/o instructing but keep in mind, 810 hours since 1993! I mean, the best way to explain it would be that I have been flying for that amount of time and have just been buying almost each and every hour. (W/ the help of some people needing their planes moved around, etc...)

Incidently, I didn't have any problem really finding a CFI job, I actually did get an offer from Pan Am but kind of put it on hold.

oh and regarding my original question, can anyone actually answer the question rather then just tell me to stay away from Mesa?

thanks

If you get somebody to walk your resume in, they might look at less than the published mins.

01, have you thought about driving the ditch? Canyon tour flights add up fairly quickly, most multi upgrades are quick, and the pic single pilot stuff is good for the experience. Just wondering.

To answer the question: Get someone to walk it in to whichever company you're going for. If you can't do that, find the fax number and address to the person who responsible for hiring. Fax the resume or Priority Mail (or both) a hard copy to them. The Priority Mail thing ensures they will have to sign for it and at least open it. Whether they do anything about it or not is up to them.

My own 2 cents: Don't go to Mesa. My sim partner went to Mesa, absolutely hated it, and turned around and just came to another regional. I stayed a CFI until I got some better time and actually loved it. Of course, it was a salaried job, I worked with all my friends, and I got to do whatever I wanted so the situation was definately favorable for me to stay. If you're really struggling for a CFI job I can give you some places to check out. Worse comes to worse you can always move to Florida. That state goes through CFI's like Rosie O'Donnell goes through fried chicken.