I agree that the zero experience students are not at fault directly. They are, however, the tool being used to contol wages by management's manipulation of supply. Mangement's next ploy is the Multi-Crew Rating which will destroy any hope of better pay for pilots, but until the MCR is approved, flooding the market with zero experience students will help control their costs. Whenever you hear people talking of a "pilot shortage," understand that this refers to QUALIFIED applicants. There is (and never will be) no shortage of people willing to fly with little to no experience and this is what these students are bringing to the table.

I do not trust anyone that didn't spend time at some version of the "bottom of the barrel"!;)

And I get the honor of being the bottom of the barrel twice...

We can only hope that the ATP requirement is properly enforced when it comes into effect, and that the loopholes that would allow extreme low-time pilots to saturate the industry can be minimized.... until then, I think we should leave the fasten seatbelt sign on...

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I think someone should tell Fox News about this whole fiasco, they would have a field day with this. Im sure not a soul outside of the 121 aviation industry knows about this whole "fast track" BS, and many of the people who worked so hard with implementing the ATP mins and the public would be pretty shocked. :eek:

Fox is too busy making up stories about human shields.

SWA does that, but its not a function of the union. The airline posts a list of applicants who have successfully completed the interview, and the pilot group can review it, and make comments prior to a job offer being extended.

The media would care for about 15 min, the general public would care until they realize that their fares would go up if they had actual qualified pilots flying these routes, than they'd go back to not caring. Its all about the $$$

Nobody cares, especially the flying public. They only want one thing; get there yesterday for free. If the Colgan crash didn't wake them up or make them care then they never will. What was the last thing you heard about rest requirements or hiring minimums in the news? Some of you guys need to quit banging on these low time pilots. Put yourself in their shoes. Can you honestly say that if you were in the same position you would turn down an airilne job to go flight instruct in 150's? What's the one thing that drives your quality of life at an airline. YOUR NUMBER, we are nothing but NUMBERS. If I could have gotten in with 180 hours your damn straight I would have. Your number is everything. Quit banging on these pilots, get on the HR departments and tell your UNION to make it an issue. If you senior captains don't want to fly with any of these so called "wonders" then talk to your reps. It doesn't matter if a guy has 150 hours or 1500 hours, if hes an a-hole then he's an a-hole. These entitlement attacks are their defense to you already putting them in the same room. Yea some need to check their ego's at the door, but flight time doesn't measure their level of d-bagness. Everyone deserves a chance. If they make it through training, oe, resreve or whatever else is thrown at them then they have earned their seat and it is their's to lose. If you senior captains are concerned about their attitudes and cockiness then take control of YOUR cockpit. The captain is still the captain.

People need to WAKE UP and realize that Pinnacle is an awesome place to work. All you seasoned pilots out there with 1500 to 2000 hours need to get your application in ASAP. It's rediculous that we are having to hire non-seasoned pilots with 250 hours flight time.


No airline needs 250 hour gear swingers who have never flown through ice, snow, lightning, severe turbulence, hail storms, squall lines, hurricanes and tornadoes. Go fly through the weather in your C-152, THEN come apply if you haven't crashed and dinged up your record.

Next time I have to shoot an ILS while a fast moving squall line with embedded tornadoes are nailing the airport at night on my 6th leg after a reduced rest overnight while st elmos fire is so bad you can't see out and your hoping the hail will blow the window out so you don't have to deal with the st elmos crap AND your 250 hour gear swinger is trying to locate the gear because he's NEW, I'm going to file a grievance with ALPA........rediculous, just rediculous.

I'd love to... Pinnacle just hasn't given me a wake up call yet...