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Sabres Fan 04-09-2011 08:49 AM

Like it or not the regionals are going to need lower time pilots in the very near future. I doubt we will see mins of 250tt again but it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see 400 maybe even 350 from some airlines desperate to fill their right seats. It will all come done to $ and management will take the cheaper option every time!

MunkyButtr 04-09-2011 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by Av8tion (Post 977161)
And in the mean time during the few days the back-and-forth bickering between members has been going on a bunch of short-time flight instructors have gotten class dates while a furloughed CRJ pilot still hasn't gotten a phone call from an airline that's theoretically hurting for pilots... something wrong with this picture?

Something very, very wrong. Its sad that the guys who have already put in the time have been kicked to the streets and forgotten. It makes me sick. Guys are graduating flight school, coming on with no interview, while a guy who has already put 3-4+ years into this nightmare can't get a call. Just plain sick.

Av8tion 04-09-2011 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by MunkyButtr (Post 978067)
Something very, very wrong. Its sad that the guys who have already put in the time have been kicked to the streets and forgotten. It makes me sick. Guys are graduating flight school, coming on with no interview, while a guy who has already put 3-4+ years into this nightmare can't get a call. Just plain sick.

Yeah... they need to change things so that furloughed regional pilots get automatic class dates at every regional that's hiring before they're allowed to hire anyone else... same thing with majors at other major airlines..

stbloc 04-09-2011 10:43 PM

Do guys with 250 hours even pass training? Traning couldn't be that difficult if therse guy are maling it to the line.

Av8tion 04-09-2011 10:49 PM


Originally Posted by stbloc (Post 978136)
Do guys with 250 hours even pass training? Traning couldn't be that difficult if therse guy are maling it to the line.

I breezed through with about 500... airline training's not really all that hard... just pay attention to what your instructors are teaching, ask questions when you don't understand something... and look over what you don't have down cold... how many flight hours you have or how much "experience" you have means nothing during training... flying the line is where that makes the difference...

The Dominican 04-10-2011 01:04 AM


Originally Posted by stbloc (Post 978136)
Do guys with 250 hours even pass training? Traning couldn't be that difficult if therse guy are maling it to the line.

Having been a check airman who was involved with training many 250 to 500 hour guys I can tell you that most made it (more times than not they required additional sim and line training) and some washed out, but like it or not two decades from now the industry will be populated mostly by the generation that went from cero to RJ's, "earned my stripes" will be replaced with "purchased my stripes" a generation that has very little respect for seniority and experience with a huge sense of entitlement, the generation that roll their eyes when you tell them to put away the Ipad at cruise, the generation that ask "how junior the last captain bid went" while you are recommending more OE after they already have had over 50 hours (yeah, that happened a few times) that is where this career is headed.:(

frozenboxhauler 04-10-2011 01:16 AM


Originally Posted by The Dominican (Post 978143)
Having been a check airman who was involved with training many 250 to 500 hour guys I can tell you that most made it (more times than not they required additional sim and line training) and some washed out, but like it or not two decades from now the industry will be populated mostly by the generation that went from cero to RJ's, "earned my stripes" will be replaced with "purchased my stripes" a generation that has very little respect for seniority and experience with a huge sense of entitlement, the generation that roll their eyes when you tell them to put away the Ipad at cruise, the generation that ask "how junior the last captain bid went" while you are recommending more OE after they already have had over 50 hours (yeah, that happened a few times) that is where this career is headed.:(

I'm glad that I'll be gone.
Good luck to all,
fbh

mooney 04-10-2011 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by The Dominican (Post 978143)
Having been a check airman who was involved with training many 250 to 500 hour guys I can tell you that most made it (more times than not they required additional sim and line training) and some washed out, but like it or not two decades from now the industry will be populated mostly by the generation that went from cero to RJ's, "earned my stripes" will be replaced with "purchased my stripes" a generation that has very little respect for seniority and experience with a huge sense of entitlement, the generation that roll their eyes when you tell them to put away the Ipad at cruise, the generation that ask "how junior the last captain bid went" while you are recommending more OE after they already have had over 50 hours (yeah, that happened a few times) that is where this career is headed.:(

excellent post, but it's not gonna wait to happen in 20 years, I saw that starting to happen back in '08 and it is slowly maturing....

mooney 04-10-2011 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by Av8tion (Post 978138)
... how many flight hours you have or how much "experience" you have means nothing during training... flying the line is where that makes the difference...

bingo! someone buy this guy a beer!

Av8tion 04-10-2011 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 978347)
bingo! someone buy this guy a beer!

tell ya what... get me a class date somewhere and I'll buy YOU the beer... fair trade?


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