Shuttle America - Kindle Users
 

For those of you that use the Kindle instead of lugging around the GOM and the POH, I am curious how you normally bookmark both books on the Kindle.

Do you bookmark each section, or only the parts you reference the most?

There must be a better way than clicking on the next page button 50 times to get to a page in the middle of, say, section 4 in the POH. Seems to be that it takes a while to first look in the table of contents and then find the correct bookmark you are looking for, and then clicking next 50 times.

I see the benefit being reduced weight, but I would never flip through a reference manual page by page to get to where I want. Is there a better way to bookmark these manuals on the Kindle?

Thanks!

Sorry I am not answering your question but you all allowed to have your manuals on your e-readers and that is a "valid" replacement to carrying the paper copies around. I am new to this airline thing, but that sounds great.

Shuttle gives you the option of the Kindle?!
Maybe someday we will get approval to actually use the iPad. Turbo, you done with training yet? I'm headed your way tomorrow.

Are you talking about keeping (all) them on there for convenience and also having your paper versions for legality? I haven't heard of any carrier getting kindles or iPads approved yet. There are some approved EFB's but it's my understanding that those are standalone and very basic in only holding charts and manuals. Just curious!!

As far as PDF's- you can separate things within adobe and save the file with bookmarks/chapters prior to a sync to a device.

Yes, Shuttle is "Approved" for pilots to carry the Kindle instead of the paper GOM and POH.

I've heard that some airlines are approved to use the Ipad now, but I know Republic Airways' stance is that they eventually want to go to a tablet like the ipad, but apparently it costs quite a bit to restrict a tablet from utilizing any type of app while in flight.

EFB's are being installed in all Shuttle aircraft as they come in for Heavy Checks. Eventually I am sure everything will be on the EFB's, but in the meantime the Kindle is an strictly volunteer option.

FlyandDive: What are you doing out this way? Training is done. On IOE now.

I'll have to play around with adobe. Good suggestion. Thanks!

Just curious, who pays for the Kindle?

Why doesn't Republic and the FAA take the position that mature, responsible adults are in command of the aircraft and as mature, responsible pilots we trust that they will not be playing video games while at their duty stations and actively responsible for a multi-million dollar aircraft, the lives of the passengers in the back, and the possible future livelihood of every other Republic employee.

I know, I know, this is asking wayyyyyy too much from from the FAA and airline management.

And I surely hope I am not making a mistaken assumption by classifying pilots in the group of people called "mature, responsible adults". :D

Or perhaps, that reading company manuals involves as much brain power as reading a magazine, book or playing angry birds, therefore, as long as you're actively monitoring the aircraft and glancing up with relative frequency, it hardly matters what material is diverting your attention from staring at the instruments.

A mentor once told me: As long as you keep in mind that you are reading in the cockpit, not sitting in a flying library, you should be okay.

Negative. The Kindle loaded with current updates of the POH and GOM are authorized in lieu of the paper ones in the cockpit.

Unfortunately, I don't think that you can make that assumption with some of the younger generation... there are still pilots out there that think its acceptable to listen to an ipod during all phases of flight.


How do you guys get around the electronic devices rule below 10,000? I mean, you have to be able to access your manuals at any time during flight, yet the Kindle is electronic. Do you have an exemption or something?

I dont know why you're asking management/the FAA to bear that burden. Sadly, some major/legacy pilots proved their incapable of handling that kind of responsibility. As well as blasted right past their destination while having electronic devices in front of them while involved in "heated discussion".

We aren't passengers.
I'm not sure which FAR you are referring too in regards to pilots and approved devices.

Also, the kindle is about worthless as for accessing information in a timely manner. I use it for space saving, however I also have a few quick reference pages from commonly used GOM chapters. (HOT and various procedures etc...)

That's awesome. I'm waiting on my iPad just to carry around all the manuals (but including the manuals I don't have to lug around). Hopefully you guys get to be the start in the industry of going fully automated.

The CAL 777 fleet has EFB's installed, as well as some of the 757's I've rode on. Ask them how they get around the below 10K ft question.

If the 10K rule was really meant for crewmembers, only the -9's would be able to fly, everything in the cockpit is electronic on most aircraft. That being said, turning the iPod on would be classified under "undue distractions not related to safety of flight". Common sense must apply.

That being said, angry birds is addictive... ON SITS!

I want to be able to carry my manuals on a kindle! Why can't all airlines be this enlightened? Also, when are they going to put in that USB port in the cockpit to charge the darn things. Though kindles do last darn near forever with 3g off.

Turbo, I just finished IOE today. See you in LGA

I am going to try to bookmark by chapters. We will see how that goes.

With all the Jepps and manuals, I had to get the kindle just so I could have room for a headset in the flight bag. I hear that the Ipad is really close to happening soon. It is way easier to search a PDF file with that.

It goes good, until the next bulletin comes out and you replace the PDF. The bookmarks go out with the old file.

Kindle
 

The Kindle is approved per the GOM, but must be purchased by the crew member. The company is going to either switch to buying the Kindle for all crew shortly, or go ahead and try and get the iPad approved by the FAA. The Kindle is an archaic piece of junk in my mind, so I'm not about to waste my money on one currently. If the the iPad is approved, I'm all over it. I feel either is a down payment of the longevity of avoiding back problems due to the weight of an all paper flight kit.

I'm not sure how you reach that conclusion... have you seen a new kindle? They're awesome for actually reading books, it looks like paper and the battery lasts a lifetime... now they won't use apps or display fancy color pictures, but I don't need that for my FOM/AFM anyway. Kindle over Ipad for that use any time, before you even consider that apple is the evil empire....

I thought Republic was the evil empire.

I don't know if you work for S5 or not, but if you do; you need to reread the memos that you were required to read prior to coming on line.......If you don't believe me, whip out your cell phone during taxi with a Check Airman in the cockpit and see how your arguement stands up.