Shuttle America adding 6 more 170's for DAL
 

Republic Airways Amends Delta Agreement to Add Six New E170 Aircraft - Yahoo! Finance

Well, we know where the growth and new hires will be going in the next year. Should be another big upgrade class announced soon.

Wasn't Delta at it's maximum # of RJ's? I thought after Compass added 12 that there was no room for anymore...??

Translation: we'd rather fly these E170s at cost+1% for Delta than loose a single penny flying them in Frontier colors.

Man Dl is all regional now a days

Compass had 12, then TSA announced it was cut to 6 last week, and here we are.

Upgrades? Try displacement. No new aircraft replacing these. Just a shift on which certificate they fly on.

Is it me, or is Delta an enigma? Everyone thought they would dump RAH when we bought MEA and F9. They announce 8 170s in Jan. They announce routes out of MCI that directly compete with RAH. Now they add 6 more 170s today.

This, sadly, has been the trend for the past decade. I believe that it is also the framework for the future. As more and more mainline pilots retire, they shall be replaced by cheaper regional jet labor. The regional jets keep on getting bigger and the scopes will get looser and looser. No doubt the C-Series and CRJ1000 will only further my point.

I wish I could go back in time 20 years to tell a mainline pilot that someday regionals would have 4000+ pilots and fly 90 seat jets. The pilot would no doubt say, "you're totally insane! Regionals just started flying turboprops with pressurized cabins!!!"

“In light of current oil prices we will continue to focus on developing Frontier’s most successful and profitable routes while managing capacity at responsible levels.”

This is code for -- "dang we cannot figure out how to make money at over $100 a barrel oil. Better go back to making money the only way we know how"

It's a good thing Dec 21, 2012 is fast approaching.:D

And Leons getting LARGER!!!!!!

What's the nature of the current contracts with AMR, UA, DAL, and US? Which one expires first and which one runs the longest? It seems like morale has been pretty low there lately, what are the main issues? Thanks.

Although it is very hard to forecast anything in aviation with any certainty (due to the huge number of variables), I imagine this date won't have the impact in hiring that so many are hoping for. I'm guessing we will see the explosive hiring in the regionals to make way for the huge orders of CRJ900/EMB170s that will replace a lot of narrow-body flying presently being flown by the majors. Economically, it just makes sense. Especially in an industry with razor thin margins. The major's limp unions and their history of giving away the farm to protect the top, will only continue.

I was referring to the Mayan Calendar and the end of all things.:eek:

I doubt we'll see a displacement. The 190's are still coming, a little late due to the whole Japan ordeal. Should be an upgrade bid out here shortly. Also the latest FO vacancy for new hires had a good amount of MKE slots. Looks like some routes are going to 145's as they come off lease.

As much as a displacement wouldn't surprise me...there's no way they would do a displacement now. The 190's/195's will get here and when they do, they'd have to do a displacement right back, which would double their training costs. Now that I've said they won't do it, I guess it'll happen.

Still a net loss for the RW certificate. Fourteen 170s going to S5 and last I checked we are only solid for 6 190s this year/next year. Nothing else is set in stone.

I think the CAL runs out first, but word is that we are keeping what we have left. This is rumor and no one of importance has stated this to be fact. My guess is that when the AMR contract is up, they will give us the boot. Still quite a few years left on that one.

anybody know how long this contract for DAL will be?

Its in RJET's quarterly and/or annual SEC reports.

It is a six year deal.

Well played sir! Well played!

AA is up next year.

The 170 can be used profitably...the problem is Bedford was using 170's to cover a marketing schedule, and not to cover costs. We all know airfares are low, and 76 low fares will not put three hours worth of fuel in the tanks, especially at these oil prices. Sure, RAH could fly a completely full 170 from MKE to _____, Florida, but that full flight was losing money. Same goes for some of the flights from MKE and MCI to the west coast. The 190 has the ability to generate enough revenue for the long hauls, as does the Airbus (obviously). Bedford has finally realized that the 170 can really only succeed on sub-2 hour routes, or in real high yield markets. Those are few and far between once you get away from the East Coast, so the 170s have been shifted to contract flying. Like southwest realized long ago, if you can't fill a decent sized airplane (737, E190), then that route isn't worth flying. That's where EAS and government subsidies come in.

I agree. It's been proven over and over again yet these morons trying to run airlines (SkyBus, Express Jet, RAH) keep thinking they can somehow make it work. I think their egos are just to big to actually admit to themselves that in this hyper competitive market flying around 70 people for 80 bucks isn't going to make any money. Another thing that irritates me is that for years BB has been preaching about how much he thinks industry wide consolidation needs to happen and that there are too many competitors. Yet he goes off an buys an airline and tries to compete in a market that he has already stated is too saturated.

Happy Cinco de Mayo!