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Lighteningspeed 07-01-2011 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by Utah (Post 1016439)
Maybe after 99', but not before - unlesss you wrote out a check for $8-12K. I worked at a large flight school in CA 98-2000'. The only ones that got hired below 1000tt, and there were only two out of 40 or so instructors, bought their jobs at COEX and ASA. One guy was at 900/300 and the other just at 1000/200. Out of the 40 or so instructors that were there, most didn't get hired until they had at least 1200tt, and we all had several hundred multi at that time.

That's true. That's about the time period I signed up to fly in the military and some of my friends decided to CFI instead of signing up. They had no problem building up hours though. At that time they had no shortage of students. Some of them were flying better than 120 hours a month.

SLIbandit 07-01-2011 06:40 PM

1500 hours is a gift. It should be 2500-3000. I'm tired of the low-time "entitlement syndrome" FOs.

742Dash 07-02-2011 04:00 AM


Originally Posted by SLIbandit (Post 1016687)
1500 hours is a gift. It should be 2500-3000. I'm tired of the low-time "entitlement syndrome" FOs.

IMO they warrant a bit of sympathy. To a large degree the denigration of experiance and sense of entitlement was trained into them by the pilot puppy mills. The truth of the matter, that aviation has always been about building experience, does not make for a very compelling business plan when trying to separate $200,000 from Mom and Dad.

What 07-02-2011 04:02 AM


Originally Posted by SLIbandit (Post 1016687)
1500 hours is a gift. It should be 2500-3000. I'm tired of the low-time "entitlement syndrome" FOs.

Not all FO's are like that. You have allot of FO's who have served their country in the armed forces and their city by being cops and firefighters. I agree some FO's have an attitude of entitlement and it seems to be that more of those are the ones that come from aviation colleges and large flight schools. How is someone supposed to get over 2000 hrs. Back in the day it was harder to make into a regional, allot more time was required but it was allot easier to build that time and experience. GA has taken a huge hit over the last decade and there is less and less jobs available where someone could build time. I agree with 250 being to small of a number but some of you who were hired with allot more need to stop with this entitlement that you can just bash an FO because he has lower times that when you were hired, instead help us get the knowledge and mentor us( if the sh!t head gives you attitude tuen smack him in the back of the head, some need it)

saab2000 07-02-2011 06:06 AM


Originally Posted by SLIbandit (Post 1016687)
1500 hours is a gift. It should be 2500-3000. I'm tired of the low-time "entitlement syndrome" FOs.

I run into very few with this sense of entitlement. And those who have that rarely make long careers at my carrier.

That kind of attitude goes over like a turd in a punchbowl at my airline.

jsfBoat 07-02-2011 06:24 AM

I'm teaching foreigners (until I leave for Lakes), and the majority will be going to go back to their home countries with 250TT and right seat in a Boeing/Airbus, they look down upon the CFI's that helped them get their certificates in the first place. "While I'm sitting right seat in a 737 (or other boeing/airbus) back in India (insert other country), you'll still be right here flight instructing!!!!" Actual words spoken to me by a few recent graduates.

saab2000 07-02-2011 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by jsfBoat (Post 1016837)
I'm teaching foreigners (until I leave for Lakes), and the majority will be going to go back to their home countries with 250TT and right seat in a Boeing/Airbus, they look down upon the CFI's that helped them get their certificates in the first place. "While I'm sitting right seat in a 737 (or other boeing/airbus) back in India (insert other country), you'll still be right here flight instructing!!!!" Actual words spoken to me by a few recent graduates.

Remind them that that doesn't make them good pilots and that they couldn't get their certs where they grew up.

threeighteen 07-02-2011 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by jsfBoat (Post 1016837)
I'm teaching foreigners (until I leave for Lakes), and the majority will be going to go back to their home countries with 250TT and right seat in a Boeing/Airbus, they look down upon the CFI's that helped them get their certificates in the first place. "While I'm sitting right seat in a 737 (or other boeing/airbus) back in India (insert other country), you'll still be right here flight instructing!!!!" Actual words spoken to me by a few recent graduates.

And while they are stalled at FL380 and pulling back on the stick over the ocean, you'll still be alive and instructing. :)

Duksrule 07-02-2011 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 1015991)
There is a huge difference that really cannot even be compared in a 250 hour CFI teaching someone to fly a 152 or seminole in very basic aerodynamics/meteorology in VFR pattern hops or the rare actual IMC instruction day or the 80 mile cross country $100 hamburger without even touching class A,B,or C and possibly even D airspace, compared to a high altitude swept wing jet flying in March on a 1000 mile leg from ATL surrounded by thunderstorms to BOS where it is 1/4 mile vis heavy snow and gusty winds under the time restraints/pressures/fatigue/nobody is there to hold my hand of the 121 world.

You make my point for me. What true experience does the CFI in your example here have? How does doing the things you mention for 1500 hours make him qualified to strap on a RJ? Someone who rented a plane and flew from the east coast to west and back would have far more real world experience than someone doing instruction in the local area.

Duksrule 07-02-2011 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 1015988)
Yep - easier to dream about fixes than work within the constraints of reality. Would you feel the same about the quality of pilots flying your family around if YOU personally weren't looking to break into the profession? Are you for reduced training/education/testing requirements in say the legal or medical professions; or were you one of the many making fun of the future medical doctors rescued from the *school* down in Grenada (where they went to train when no school in the US would accept them - - so the story/exaggeration goes)

USMCFLYR

This is already happening nation wide. More often than not, when you go see your local DR or go to Doc in the Box, you are going to se a PA or NP rather than a DR. My guess is that there is a message board somewhere populated by DRs that hate "low time" (two years of school gets you your PA certs/degree if you have the classes rather than 8-10 years for a DR) PA/NPs taking the jobs that were normally held by actual DRs.

As for me breaking into the industry, who knows. I enjoy flying but don't think taking the pay cut to be a RJ FO is in my future. Maybe if I was 20 years younger but you know what they say, never say never.


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