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Old 08-04-2011, 09:08 AM   #21  
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You got a source for that.

We've been pulling them out of the desert as fast as we can get them over the last year.
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Great. Yippy skippy. So you're pulling them out of the desert to put them under any code that will take them to offset the loss of parking 'em there.

My source, it's common knowledge to the ones who did the negotiating and the due diligence for the deal. This isn't flame throwing, it's just the facts.
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Old 08-04-2011, 09:14 AM   #22  
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Usair WILL buy Mesa.....the only way to merge east west is by bringi
ng another airline.......all 900s on mainline with fences........

It is coming from an ex Mesa pilot...me.

So dont ask me if I work for Mesa
Could a PSA-Mesa combination happen? Sure. Anything is possible, and it would make sense as the company shrinks to the point where the infrastructure to maintain the company becomes unworkable/profitable and a merger would make the most sense. But Mainline US buying and merging in Mesa? No how, no way. Funny tho.
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Old 08-04-2011, 09:17 AM   #23  
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Utah,

Great. Yippy skippy. So you're pulling them out of the desert to put them under any code that will take them to offset the loss of parking 'em there.

My source, it's common knowledge to the ones who did the negotiating and the due diligence for the deal. This isn't flame throwing, it's just the facts.
That doesn't even make sense. We've been buying/leasing deserted 200 airframes. Airframes that we had no exposure to prior to pulling them out from the desert. In other words, we didn't have any parking costs associated with those that came from the desert. I do understand that we get them dirt cheap, though. I'm guessing that would give us a competitive advantage over other 200 operators.
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Could a PSA-Mesa combination happen? Sure. Anything is possible, and it would make sense as the company shrinks to the point where the infrastructure to maintain the company becomes unworkable/profitable and a merger would make the most sense. But Mainline US buying and merging in Mesa? No how, no way. Funny tho.



Not funny at all....just wait.....and i have a good source....me.

there is a reason usair management took usapa to court...a good reason...and the nicolau award can be void only if a third party comes in place......and i am very aware of the 10 percent with option usair has on mesa since the bk exit....very aware



watch 39 900s on mainline and 20 700s with PSA......
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Old 08-04-2011, 10:38 AM   #26  
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Those greedy Mesa pilots have only themselves to blame, just ask JO:
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Dear Fellow Employee,

I wanted to let everyone know that US Airways has announced the award of 13 CRJ 200 aircraft to Skywest. As you may know, the Code Share agreement covering Mesa’s 7 CRJ 200s and 6 Dash 8 aircraft expires in June 2012. We had always hoped that we would be able to reach an agreement to extend the code share agreement for these aircraft to match the term of our CRJ-900s. When we approached US Airways regarding extending these aircraft, we were informed that in order to grant an extension, US Airways required significant savings and importantly that Skywest had offered to replace all 13 Mesa aircraft with CRJ-200s far below Mesa’s current costs. Skywest has excess 50 seat aircraft and is willing to price the aircraft below their cost in order to keep them flying and make at least a partial contribution towards their lease payment as opposed to continuing to pay rent on aircraft that would otherwise be parked. After receiving US Airways savings request, we reviewed the numbers and concluded that the only way to achieve the necessary savings and effectively compete with Skywest was to operate these aircraft on a break even basis and seek limited contributions from key employee groups. Even with Mesa contributing 100% of the profit associated with this flying and eliminating all “overhead” associated with these aircraft we could only achieve approximately 50% of the savings needed, the rest would have to come from other sources. Compounding the situation was the fact that US Airways required our response on an extremely quick time period. Unfortunately, our requests for contributions from the key employee groups were unsuccessful. At the end of the day, we were not able to offer the same economics as Skywest and were informed that US Airways has awarded this flying to Skywest.

Obviously it is always disappointing to lose flying from one of our partners. This loss however is particularly painful given the fact that unlike any other airline bankruptcy that we are aware of, there were no concessions imposed on any unionized employee at our company and had hoped that as a result, we could have worked together to protect this flying and the jobs associated with it. While we greatly appreciate the sacrifices made by corporate personnel and management in the form of furlough days and pay reductions those contributions alone were not enough to “bridge the gap” and retain this flying. We were hopeful that through a shared sacrifice we would be able to preserve both jobs and flying for almost four additional years. This should also serve as a stark reminder that awards for new regional flying are made based on cost – reliable and safe operations are basic requirements and simply the admission ticket necessary to be considered. This truth will govern whether we are successful in retaining or gaining flying in the future. The sooner we can all adjust to this new reality and work cooperatively to gain new flying the better off we will all be in the future.

It is never easy to deliver bad news – particularly when we have overcome so much adversity over the past couple of years. What I can assure you is that your management team is 100% focused on rebuilding Mesa into a successful growth oriented leader in the regional marketplace. I want to personally thank you for your hard work and ask that you continue to work to exceed our partners’ expectations. As always, please feel free to email me with any questions.

Sincerely

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Those greedy Mesa pilots have only themselves to blame, just ask JO:
Unbelievable that JO would think that one of the lowest paid labor groups should be taking concessions. I hope everyone at Mesa can find the much better job that they deserve before the time runs out at that place.
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Does anyone believe anything Orenstein says at this point?
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Old 08-04-2011, 10:51 AM   #29  
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This industry is a mess. And what is the lesson learned from this? Get more planes than you can possibly find flying for and instead of parking them at a big loss, fly them so you take a smaller big loss. Wouldn't it make more sense to just find an overseas operator that would take on your lease so you don't have to take any loss?
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JO's a snake! He's spinning this and I hope the Mesa pilots don't bite. He lost the flying, not you.
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