Drop ALPA to merge ASA, XJT, and SKW into one
 

Just out of sheer curiosity, would you vote to drop ALPA if it meant all three list would be merged? Yes or no?

Never happen.

What is the point of merging them? I don't get it. Will it save cost and give the employees a raise?

Prevent wipsaw and to have the benefits of a management team that actually knows how to run an airline.

Prevent SKW and ASA from losing aircraft to lower bidders... ?

Of course one list would be better, but the SkyWest guys will never go for it. Why would they? They've been benefiting from ALPA negotiated benefits without paying dues for years.

Yup...what he said

+1 ..::filler::..

If you mean losing benefits, you're right

I'd love to dump ALPA and we do need one list.

We should drop ALPA, merge all three companies and form the Skywest Pilots Association. I really wish we could all rise up and get this done. Do you realize the position this would put us in as a pilot group? Such a large group covering so much flying, we could really do some good. Let's try to get this done!!!

I'm all for dumping ALPA and merging all three lists and have an in-house union, but again, the Skywest folks won't go for it! They are afraid of their precious bases and most guys don't see a benefit for merging. A lot of those guys over there think Skywet saved ASA and XJT and they are entitled to more. I've got a lot of friends at OO, and unfortunately a lot of them drink that St. George Kool Aid.

I think ASA/XJT would have to vote out ALPA and form an in house union that didn't have the "Sure Jet" name on it, or whatever will surface for their new brand. SkyWest guys have shown that they're incredibly skiddish about who represents them. Many who want a union still seem to like the team we have in SAPA right now and would probably rather stay with them than vote in a team of "foreigners." Just my insight for the ASA contingent.

Duvie, you realize the name "Sure Jet" is gone, right?

Can you blame them? Skywest is growing while asa/xjt could lose 40 airplanes in the coming months (27 ual erjs, 8 dal crj7 and 6 dal crjs). Why would you want merge with an airline that could furlough 400? Xjt and asa people could push skyw people out of their own bases. Dont believe me ask pncl captains that are now fos because xj saab captains were displaced into pncl a/c. Skywest pilots, Look at the pinnacolaba slaughter and ask yourself if you want that as your future.

Also inhouse at regionals cant work because of funding. It is dumb to think that people making 50k a year could get the same protection with 2% that one could get with alpa.

..Very True

Wouldn't matter. Bid D, UAL, and USair could still move aircraft away from those companies to lower cost options. They would still be just a small jet contractor and still have to compete on cost with everyone else.

Yea, and good riddance, I just don't know what to call the future combined pilot group..... maybe SkyEast?

I personally believe that any SkyWester who thinks INC will look out for OO before ASA/XJT is a little delusional. They wouldn't have gone through the trouble and expense of buying and merging the two east coast giants if they were gonna just let them decay into nothing. SkyWEST may've just won a few small bids (20 AC total), but we're also slated to start losing 50 seaters before too long. I think the three, soon to be two, airlines under INC are in this thing together now. There really hasn't been any whipsawing yet, but why give management the option? Together we're much stronger than apart IMO.

They should just call it expressjet. But unfortunately they will probably end up paying some corporate douche tons of money to come with something stupid!

Too late. ..

I agree with your statement, but it will never happen. Better to move on and leave this steaming heap for the lifers to enjoy.

As a SkyWest pilot i would have to say, no thanks.. If they would have done it when Inc. first bought ASA i would have been fine with it.. Not interested in a "messy 3 way".. I think we need to focus on not loosing any more flying to the bottom feeders first. Then "one list". Once those problems are gone then maybe we can revist the "one list" concept.

Childs would seem to disagree with you as he stated at the last hub huddle that they will take care of "their baby" first.

I'm just tired of paying union dues while Skywest benefits from it.

Really? Have any of you been paying attention to what has been happening with the 9E/XJ/9L goings on?

yeah no kidding, anyone at skywest that wants one list after that needs their head examined.

Remind me who flew 70 seat aircraft for the same rate as their 50 seat aircraft for the longest time?

Pot meet kettle.

Explain how SkyWest has any control over this?

YES and YES.....

We are the cause of our own lack of success in our careers. An education in business, finance, and economics would do wonderful things for pilots as a whole.

I'm not familiar with your track record so I don't mean to insult you here, but one liners like that are what internet rumors are built upon. If you've got a credible source, please share it, otherwise how do you expect to sway anybody's opinion?

That flying is pretty loose!

Kiss your seniority goodbye. SKW doesn't honor it.

It may be messy for awhile but one list is a must and benefits everyone. Everything is fine and dandy until one subsidiary loses flying and then the other gains flying.

It's already happening. Just look at Iah and Ord.

I want one list, if for nothing else, so that we get more than 4 domiciles over here at XJT. How many does SKW have? Over 9000????

An education in business, finance, and economics won't prevent management from selling/merging/shutting-the-doors-of one's respective airline. Bring back regulation...

My fiancee was at the DEN hub huddle. I can give you more details from it if you like, but some things are best left to PMing.