AE flow to AA
 

How does the process of flowing from AE to AA work?

1. Does AA need to recall all its' furloughs first before it starts accepting AE?

2. Once AE pilots flow to AA, what will be the ratio to remaining recalls/street hires?

3. Can AE pilot flow at anytime after an initial offer?

4. Is this flow agreement a side letter or part of a larger agreement?

5. Where can I see/get this agreement?

Thanks.

AE has about 238 with numbers, some mixed in with the last few hundred recalls (but most at the bottom I think). They will be called as their numbers come up. These are a result of "Letter 3" or "Supp W (?)" from 1998.

Then there's an arbitration agreement for 824 to come over 1:1 with street hires. Result of an arbitration remedy/agreement.

Then everyone on the property as of today will be given a pref hire at 35% of the total newhire slots. Anyone from the top of the list on down can accept one of these slots at any time; no requirement to choose now or forever forfeit the opportunity. Result of recent LOA.

You could try ALPA.org (EGL MEC) for viewing (assuming you're an EGL ALPA pilot) - not sure what's posted there though.

Yep, AE pilot out on military orders at this time. I was told I had to be on the property in order to be considered. Makes little sense for me to come back, go thru all the AE training just to leave for AA.
Does it specifically state you must be working on the line or just be on the seniority list? (BTW, I am in the top 350 on the AE seniority list).

Thank you for your earlier response.

By the way things are looking, The hiring at AE and the Flowthru to AA will come to a stop soon.

With exceptions to the 238 and maybe 50% of the 824, You have a better chance of getting hit by lightning and hitting the powerball twice in one month then to get a chance to flow over to American. Plan for the worse and you will never be disappointed in this Industry.

USERRA will protect you, it will as though you never left.

If you are otherwise eligible they can't deny you because you were on mil leave. Since it's an unusual situation, you might have fight the battle though.

Both the company and the union are advertising it as career progression. So it will be interesting if any Military member doesn't flow when they are supposed to. I think military members will be fine.

The "active pilot" requirement applies to the "protected pilots"; PPs are all those after the 824 slots are awarded.

Not sure about any requirement for the 824, which it seems you'll be a part of, assuming you don't already have a number.

As far as I know, I currently do not have an AA number. I've been told to provide my military orders and they will fill me in on the next training slot. I make too much money currently with the military to come back to AE pay, but it would be worth it for my ultimate goal of AA.

Thank you to those providing insight. I greatly appreciate it.

Are you active? Or Guard/Reserve on active orders?

If I read the preferential hire LOA correctly, it said active pilots not on leaves... could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I read that.... and it is NOT the same as having your job protected while on military orders. Your job IS protected, your job is at Eagle... not at AA. To be eligible for preferential hire, you need to be active, not on leave. IIRC.

They should have written it better, but it's ALPA after all... and the APA wasn't invited to the party (talks) so nobody thought to protect our military folks (IMHO had the APA been there you'd have been protected)

Only part of the 824 if he is a Captain, or has held CA previously.

You are also supposed to progress on your job while on Military Leave, AMR is calling this flow as carrer progression!!! It will be interesting to see!

i would call amr hr and alpa ae mec and tell them that you feel discriminated because you serve to protect your country and amr and alpa is penalizing you because you are on military leave in the service of your country.

that should get you an answer fast.

It would just take the first person to bring it to court, considering that probably most military lawyers would jump all over this as well the media, I don't think it will be an issue (the biggest hurtle is having the flow actually happen)