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xjtguy 11-04-2011 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1073796)
This sort of churn is actually beneficial for DAL in the long run...uprooting crews encourages major-eligible CA's to bail instead of settling into a comfortable situation to become expensive and pesky regional lifers.

Is DAL smart enough to actually factor this in? Who knows.

Although that's a nice collateral/downrange effect, I SERIOUSLY doubt the bean counters at DAL DCI care about what the seniority demographic is a XYZ DelCon carrier. ALL the DCI carrier is a line item cost, PERIOD. DAL management couldn't care less how the DelCon carrier achieves that cost.

Being a part of the process at multiple carriers multiple times, the mainline partner simply didn't care. All we heard from our managements was "you pilots are too expensive and need to get the costs down", so it effects EVERYBODY.

And don't forget, mechanics, FA's, etc are part of that equation as well.

Spoilers 11-06-2011 12:24 PM

Looking at January schedule. You can see Compass doing SLC-SNA (3x day) and SLC-BZN. Interesting.

PruneJuice 11-06-2011 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by Spoilers (Post 1080847)
Looking at January schedule. You can see Compass doing SLC-SNA (3x day) and SLC-BZN. Interesting.

Where can you see the dci schedule?

Bill Lumberg 11-06-2011 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 1073800)
True but it causes immense additional costs and delays/cancelations by pulling a company so far from its crew/maintenance bases. Now if Delta wants to operate in a much more expensive way for the sake of avoiding a strike that hasn't even come close to happening since Comair in 01.... Well no wonder the passengers see right through the customer first B.S. they have been peddling.

Customers sure seem to be buying though, to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars of profit each quarter. Does Delta have enough money to keep uprooting the regionals if they so choose? Sounds like the answer is YES.

DashTrash 11-06-2011 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by Spoilers (Post 1080847)
Looking at January schedule. You can see Compass doing SLC-SNA (3x day) and SLC-BZN. Interesting.

We are also serving ONT, DFW, MCI, and IAH (IAH-SLC). According to what's on Delta Net as the proposed schedule. Most of it starts in Feb. though.

djrogs03 11-06-2011 06:11 PM

If there is one thing I've learned from working for a DCI carrier it's this...take whatever you think is going to happen.......now take the complete opposite of that and thats what will actually happen...the more it makes sense, the more Delta will do the opposite, pure and simple...

Rama04 11-07-2011 03:57 AM

Why do we even think there is going to be a shuffle?
I havent heard or seen anything indicating that there is going to be a major shift in flying yet. Most of the time, I hear that the "marketing hours" arent complete until half way thru the previous month...
This could be as minor as moving regional flying from JFK to LGA; and having more flights flown by mainline like DL is doing in ATL.
From a 9E perspective, MEM has barely any flying left as compared to what we used to fly there. I would be suprised to see MEM go but, I wouldnt be suprised to see us move to LGA from JFK - Or our union sign yet another LOA and screw us with a co-terminal base.

Boomer 11-07-2011 04:35 AM


Originally Posted by Rama04 (Post 1081124)
Most of the time, I hear that the "marketing hours" arent complete until half way thru the previous month...

Comair pilot bid packs come out around the 1st for the next month. Delta must give Comair their flying long before the timeframe you're hearing.

RJtrashPilot 11-07-2011 04:50 AM

Egg nog time.

filejw 11-07-2011 04:51 AM


Originally Posted by xjtguy (Post 1080097)
Although that's a nice collateral/downrange effect, I SERIOUSLY doubt the bean counters at DAL DCI care about what the seniority demographic is a XYZ DelCon carrier. ALL the DCI carrier is a line item cost, PERIOD. DAL management couldn't care less how the DelCon carrier achieves that cost.

Being a part of the process at multiple carriers multiple times, the mainline partner simply didn't care. All we heard from our managements was "you pilots are too expensive and need to get the costs down", so it effects EVERYBODY.

And don't forget, mechanics, FA's, etc are part of that equation as well.

But they do know why and its the reason DAL doesn't want to own Comair and AA is getting rid of Eagle.


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